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Zizikymember
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Posted:
do you belive to god, or somethin else, like these?

miluju prahu a pár lidí v ní i mimo ní smile

PRAGUE FOREVER smile


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
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Location: state of confusion


Posted:
I believe in the Tao meditate

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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i cant take credit for coming up with this, but so far this is the most believable thing i have heard...

there is one force, perhaps even the force that luke uses, haha, that has been present from the beginning.. nothing tangable, and def. not a guy (or girl) sitting on the clouds with a long beard (if a guy :P ) looking down on us and granting prayers.. this force is the life force if you will of everything in the world.. it controls the laws of physics, such as gravity and sound and light waves, it controls the laws of nature (if they can be called laws) such as natural selection, and it also controls the way we behave as a species (that goes for all living creatures), as in that it controls our subconscience, the way we think and things like that..
hey fish, i dont know much about the tao but isnt this sort of like that? pls explain what tao is exactly

ive always thought of religion in this way: that it was created/invented/pondered upon by ancient humans because they either felt alone, didnt wanna take responsibility for their actions, or felt like they needed some guidance in difficult situations.. this is also why all the major religions such as hinduism, judaism, christianity, buddhism all have the same basic principles.. sure they all have their own stories to teach morals, but the basic ideas and ways of life are essentially the same.. whether you believe in one or many gods (forgot the words for that) that (those) force(s) all do the same things when you look at the essentials and basics..
for instance the ancien egyptians had a sun god, as did the ancient greeks.. in greek mythology this is apollo riding his charriot of fire across the sky everyday.. my "force" essentially does the same thing as it controls the laws of physics and therefore the orbits of planets due to gravitational pull..
soapbox ok i think its time i shut up now.. lets hear some more.. this is interesting biggrin

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
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Posted:
yes it is like that alot, its hard to EXPLAIN the Tao, Tao means the The way, its used either as the tao or The Tao Tao being the religious part, and tao being a desciptive word, theres a book called the essencial Tao, i forget the author, but its basicaly Tao for dummies wink (like windows for dummies)

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


Zizikymember
47 posts
Location: PRAHA


Posted:
stick: yes, this way you just replace "force" with "gods" sure it might explain a lot, if it exist and if it sometimes makes strange things, like the part with crrosing red sea and many more from other religions...

well I belive that somethin, call it however you want, force, odin, god, Ra, Zeus, is. I don't know if it made the world as we know it, but I belive there is somethin, and I think "it" ´has to be happy when you are happy, if it made you, if not if has no responsibility for your acting, and so whatever you do, don't make anythin you don't want, and don't need to do... just be happy, make happy people around you and try to hurt no one around you, and you passage to heaven is sure. If it doesn't exxist, then act however you want and nothin' will happend smile

well my english sux so try to read it more than once and maybe you will understand it smile

miluju prahu a pár lidí v ní i mimo ní smile

PRAGUE FOREVER smile


stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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Posted:
Written by: Ziziky



just be happy, make happy people around you and try to hurt no one around you, and you passage to heaven is sure.




well, im a bit pessimistic in that sense.. maybe its better to call it scientific, but the point is i dont really believe in any form of afterlife.. i think we are no different than a snail or seaweed in the sense that when we die our bodies just become part of the earth and our minerals and energy are passed on.. either by fungus growing on us, worms and other carrion eating our decomposing bodies, or by plants that absorb the minerals of decomposing flesh (lovely thoughts huh?) i mean, and i wrote this in another thread as well, i think the one about paranormal activity, just because we are capable of thinking of the possibility of a god or an afterlife doesnt necessarily mean it exists.. frown
the only form of afterlife i could believe in would be in the way of becoming a tree.. that our minerals are absorbed through the roots of a plant and then helping that plant grow and stay alive..
depressing i know, but hey, thats me.. wink

stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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i definitely agree with the being happy part and making others happy around you.. that is almost worth being the purpose of life biggrin
im not a hippie for no reason peace wink

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Posted:
i just worship a greater spirit but not god himself but something like him. i think he is way over advertised. I dont think the greater spirit created us, but is just here to watch us and make sure we dont end up skrewing our selves to badly. i belive we were created by science crap and that the greater spirit was also created by science.

I start it, I end it,
I kill and words will defend it.
Got big plans,
blood stained hands
Wanna put my name on the map.
On my way to save the world.
-Missionary, Operation Ivy


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
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Posted:
see my problem with christianity is that, speaking by time lines, its one of the youngest religions, and out of no were EVERYONE was told this ONE guy is right and we all need to fallow him if we eant to be saved? i just dont buy in to it, Tao just fit what i belived, and my personal belifes are not conventional Tao, thats just the non-complex way to descibe it

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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Posted:
Written by: \\\\Blades Of Grass////


i just worship a greater spirit but not god himself but something like him. i think he is way over advertised. I dont think the greater spirit created us, but is just here to watch us and make sure we dont end up skrewing our selves to badly. i belive we were created by science crap and that the greater spirit was also created by science.




confused what do you mean the greater spirit was also created by science? can you elaborate? from what i gather greater spirits and religion in general (whether a personal one or a mass-believed one) are thought of by humans.. unless..... we are the result of science too....*dramatic music*

stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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Posted:
respect fish, to that last part mainly..

the thing that bugs me about christianity is that its supposed to be a tolerant religion, yet you have missionaries all over the world trying to convince ppl that it is THE way of life and the only way to salvation.. that is absolute sh*te

Zizikymember
47 posts
Location: PRAHA


Posted:
yeah, but still it is better then a bit [censored] up islam, do are you fanatic and would you blow up a train with those who are not as fanatic as you?, you are our guy!!

that's a lot bigger [censored] then missionaries, but yep you are right, why guys who belive in religions old just few hundert years are the right guys for the one who belive in religion old few mileniums??


to stick: you did not understand me, I thought that there might be somethin, but if it is, it should be happy from everyone who thinks he makes the right thinks, for islam, and for those who are trying to face them, for they both belive they are making the right thing, how you can decide about what to do with your life when nobody tells you that you can make this choice and that you will die and go to hell if you will make it?? and if It doesn't exxist, than there is no problem.... so as I say, be happy make pple around you happy and you will have a happy life or you will go to heaven, but this way you can't make anything wrong...

again, sorry for my english smile

miluju prahu a pár lidí v ní i mimo ní smile

PRAGUE FOREVER smile


teejay_bluemikes bitch
387 posts
Location: manchester/northampton/where the wind blows


Posted:
im not sayin this is the same for everyone but personally i think that if i followed a religion or believed in something like that it would be because i wanted something to believe in and security in some way

im not sure if thats necessarily a bad thing [or good] but its just not me.

i wouldnt rule out becoming that way in the future if i came across a religion or sumthing similar that 'fell in to place' [sorry not sure how to word that bit] or made sense to me!

i think

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music - angela monet.


vanizeSILVER Member
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA


Posted:
Gaia

-v-

Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!


onlyanewbienewbie
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Location: london


Posted:
hey guys lets all not religion bash here...at the end of the day everyone can believe what they want as long as it keeps them happy and doesnt hurt anyone else (islam included a couple extremists are not the norm) live in peace...and let kharma guide you!

people have one thing in common they are all different~robert zend


stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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Posted:
Written by: Ziziky



again, sorry for my english smile





hey, no prob bob.. dont worry about it.. if its unclear i think well let you know wink


and teejay, i think that goes for most ppl actually.. of course i cant say for sure and anyone who disagrees is welcome to say so, but like i said, i think religion as a whole was (for lack of better word) "forged" because ppl needed something to believe in or needed some kind of guidance and sense of security/not being alone

teejay_bluemikes bitch
387 posts
Location: manchester/northampton/where the wind blows


Posted:
yer thats wot i was tryin to say, im not very good with wording things.

i agree with onlyanewbie bout religions that hurt others!

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music - angela monet.


MiGGOLD Member
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Posted:
im with the people that say 'religion is around because people didnt think they could make it through life without something there. and because it is so easy to explain away things as '[deity]'s will''

If im anything, i'd say that i was karmic. karma seems right. dont do bad stuff and bad stuff wont happen back. how cool would it be if that was all there is to it?

My personal beef with christianity stems from a couple of things.
1. we help people with the money given to us.
ok, that happens, but there has still been a heck of a lot of money put into churches. which is odd, given that god is omnipresent, and the bible says something along the lines of 'its better to pray alone/at home than going out and telling everyone you're praying'.
2. pay 10% of your income and you go to heaven.
overly simplistic i know, but pfft.
3. you dont follow our words to the letter. so we'll tie you to a stick and set you on fire.
nuff said.
4. if there is an all powerful being up there somewhere, surely it would be sick of everyone teling it how good it is by now. i know that if i was up there, i'd be striking people down and telling them to get on with their lives.

and a few others. might come up later

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teejay_bluemikes bitch
387 posts
Location: manchester/northampton/where the wind blows


Posted:
haha i like it clap

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music - angela monet.


Zizikymember
47 posts
Location: PRAHA


Posted:
what do you thing about theories from matrix and SW?? smile

miluju prahu a pár lidí v ní i mimo ní smile

PRAGUE FOREVER smile


Galxcnewbie
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Location: Toronto, Canada


Posted:
Written by: vanize


Gaia



I agree with that. ubbrollsmile

The happiness of a man in this life does not consist in the absence but in the mastery of his passions. -
Alfred Lord Tennyson -English poet (1809 - 1892)


stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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Posted:
whats SW??

matrix.. hmmmm, i think its possible that in the future we develop robots or machines that are capable of making choices.. a synthetic brain if you will.. right now we have windows, which, if you click on something, it does about 10 things on its own which we dont have to tell it to do.. thats how its programmed.. its possible that somewhere down the line well develop a machine that is programmed to eveluate situations and make its own choice...and thats damn scary help ubbcrying excl excl excl

LazyAngelGOLD Member
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Posted:
Hmmm... I was talking to the missus about this today....

Here's my tuppence....

I don't believe in religion any more. I stopped going to church years ago. It all seems too much like a big buisness to me where each religion needs money. Problem is, their morals seem to be, practise mercy and compassion, but don't feel too bad about killing those other guys cos they're heathens/infidels and need to be stopped. Why do we have to perpetually draw lines in the sand? it's not about that. There are good people and evil people, and they all look different, the only way you can tell for sure is by examining their actions and even then you can't always be sure.

And what about churches and the cross (at least in terms of christianity)? wasn't there something in the bible about not worshipping false idols? how many people go to church now and don't think about what they're really there for? they're just going through the motions? Is religion just singing hymns to a crucifix, going to a church? of course not. For myself, the times I think of all that is good in the world (or for want of a better word, God), is when I see something truly amazing, the sun shining through the clouds, a beautiful moment when everything just seems to work in concert to produce something truly awe inspiring.

As for the missionaries, I don't think it's right to shove your views down somebody else's throat, but some missionaries probably see it more as making people aware of the choices they have when it comes to religion. And I cannot begrudge anyone their choice to believe what they will.

All this is not to say that the church never does anything good: the charity work, although not entirely altruistic, is at least a good thing. However, I see all churches and most religions as detracting from the pursuit of a truly good life, as people become too short-sighted and distracted from their real objective in the pursuit of what they are told is goodness and the path to salvation. The things I hold dear are truth, love, honor, life and happiness. I try (but have not always succeeded) to live my life by these values and I feel a good person for it. I just wish other people could see it this way.

In short, I believe in good not God.

whew! er... that's the lot, sorry for ranting
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Zizikymember
47 posts
Location: PRAHA


Posted:
hay man, don't you know it?? we have made "brain". It is a little computer with mouse néurons... somewhere in america.. they put mice neurons on it, and in short time it connected together.. so they programed it to fly F-22. and it has learned like human brain, now it can fly F-22 in normal weather and in rain


and SW like Star Wars

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stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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Posted:
like i said, thats damn scary help

Zizikymember
47 posts
Location: PRAHA


Posted:
well, might me... have you seen Animatrix?? second renecsance... that's how we will end... you know, there is still little chance, that someone inteligent (like we are:)) will rule this and it will end good for both of us, for machines and for humans... like in star trek.. smile

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stickmanWorld Champ Procrastinator
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honestly i dont think that would work ziziky.. if there were extra terrestrial (aliens) who were gonna try to rule our planet, there is no way we would let them.. countries dont let other countries rule their country (does that make sense?? sounds very primitive.. whatever, you get the idea) and sit back passively and watch.. they would try to stop the invaders/occupiers.. exactly like whats going on in iraq at the moment.. bu lets not get onto that subject.. theres a thread about that already..
we might end up living in peaceful coexistence with other intelligent lifeforms, if thats what you mean, but not that they would conquer and rule our planet.. if they try they might succeed, but wed definitely try to stop them..

Zizikymember
47 posts
Location: PRAHA


Posted:
nonono, I didn't mean the independence day, I mean animatrix, when robots got enough inteligent to make their own decission, and after "machine" war they made separated state, called State 0, i think.. and this state was a lot better than the states of people, they had no problems etc. and stupid goverment, this is what i thought, declared war to them, and in this case I used "someone inteligent", inteligent people to make it somehow else then rather destroy whole world then let robots be better then we are

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Burning Braineye shifter
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Location: between my headphones


Posted:
how did i know that Fryed fish would be the first to post here.



anyway fishy, christianity is sort of the youngest religion. How i understand it is that it is only a break off of a jewish belief that immanuel (jesus) would come to create order in humanity (like neo smile). those jews who believe jesus was this guy called themselves christians. so just as most of those mid eastern religions came from the 12 tribes of jacob you could say that christianity did to.



im in an old testament class

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