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the henna lady
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the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
So, my accident left me more out of shape than I care to be comfortable in. I have the clear to try to get into shape again, and the new year seems like a decent starting point.
I am a sturdy girl. I weigh a bit more than I should, and am tall. What I am doing is increasing my exercise daily, by, well, quite a bit. But more because I need to practice other things as well...so it all just kind of fits in properly.
My friends and I have been researching alot of different, diets but not diets, more like dietary changes, for may reasons. Most because of weight (hey, we're American, we obsess). One because diabetes runs in his family and he wants to try to control it before it happens?? I want to feel comfortable in front of camera's and audiences, and right now when I look at photo's of me, I cry.
So.......the one that is being the most discussed is the Atkins Plan.
Has anyone tried this or followed it with any success? How hard it is to stick with for an extended period of time?
I do know this is not the plan for vegetarians/vegans!
We are all doing this together to try to make it easier. Anyone else out there trying to make more healthful changes in 2003? What and how?
If so, this thread might be a good place for a mini-support group? I can think of one person who needs to cut back on his ice cream intake!
So, my accident left me more out of shape than I care to be comfortable in. I have the clear to try to get into shape again, and the new year seems like a decent starting point.
I am a sturdy girl. I weigh a bit more than I should, and am tall. What I am doing is increasing my exercise daily, by, well, quite a bit. But more because I need to practice other things as well...so it all just kind of fits in properly.
My friends and I have been researching alot of different, diets but not diets, more like dietary changes, for may reasons. Most because of weight (hey, we're American, we obsess). One because diabetes runs in his family and he wants to try to control it before it happens?? I want to feel comfortable in front of camera's and audiences, and right now when I look at photo's of me, I cry.
So.......the one that is being the most discussed is the Atkins Plan.
Has anyone tried this or followed it with any success? How hard it is to stick with for an extended period of time?
I do know this is not the plan for vegetarians/vegans!
We are all doing this together to try to make it easier. Anyone else out there trying to make more healthful changes in 2003? What and how?
If so, this thread might be a good place for a mini-support group? I can think of one person who needs to cut back on his ice cream intake!
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Posted:
if any one could fix my back too, i would be very greatful.
its been 4 months since my accident now, and its still pretty tense just to go out and spin for an hour. to sit at my desk is a task in its self.
not only that but the money that is coming in isnt enough to pay rent and bills.. sucks.
my thought in general, were all human, we all need help.
pele i wish you well, you've shown strong courage through this past year, any thing else now should be a breeze. good luck, we've all got your back.
if any one could fix my back too, i would be very greatful.
its been 4 months since my accident now, and its still pretty tense just to go out and spin for an hour. to sit at my desk is a task in its self.
not only that but the money that is coming in isnt enough to pay rent and bills.. sucks.
my thought in general, were all human, we all need help.
pele i wish you well, you've shown strong courage through this past year, any thing else now should be a breeze. good luck, we've all got your back.
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Posted:
Pele, PLEASE do not do the Atkins plan.
Yes, you'll lose weight. About 20 pounds. Then the weight loss stops. Then the weight comes back. And you'll have given your pancreas a run for its money in the process, not exactly what you want to do with a family history of diabetes.
I have yet to see anyone lose more than 30 or so pounds on Atkins and I have yet to see anyone keep it off. It's unhealthy, it makes use of some physiological trickery, and your body eventually figures it out.
Here's the secret to weight loss:
CHEW YOUR FOOD. Chew your food until it just melts away in your mouth and you don't really have to swallow it. Put your fork down during this process. Then count to ten. Then ask "am I still hungry?" If the answer is "yes," then take another bite, chewing it until it disappears, putting your fork down, and waiting for 10 seconds and again, "am I hungry?"
There will come a point where when you ask yourself this, you will answer "not anymore." At that point, stop eating. You will find that you've probably eaten a third of the food on your plate. You will also get hungry again in a couple of hours. No matter what you are eating, be it an apple or a lobster, always chew until it just melts away and always keep asking yourself if you are still hungry.
What you are doing in this process is getting in contact with your body, re-learning what hunger and satiety (the opposite of hunger) feel like.
Most kids do it naturally. That's why I watch my ten-year-old nephew push a half-eaten piece of chocolate cake away and say "I'm done." I'm the only adult I know who ever eats a half a piece of chocolate cake and then pushes it away because "I'm done."
The weight loss won't come quickly. But what happens is that it starts off quickly and then starts to level off as you get closer to your ideal weight. As you get closer to your ideal weight, which your body instinctively knows, you will find yourself getting more and more hungry and eating more and more as you level off.
A side-benefit is that your body will also start telling you WHAT to eat and not just how much. When I was doing this (and lost 40 pounds and have kept them off for over two years now), I found myself craving vegetables, protein, carbs, and occasionally even fat. But my cravings for sweets were almost non-existant.
See, this is a lifestyle modification, not a diet. The trick is to eat this way for the rest of your life. Slowly, methodically. Some people do it naturally; they just graze a bit all day and eat small meals. They are uniformly slender. And you can learn to do it, too.
It's hard, it's not a quick, easy fix like the Atkins Diet promises to be, it requires discipline and focus, and it won't necessarily turn you into a fashion model. But it works if you follow through with it.
Now, a few tips:
1) Never eat right after exercising. Try to give your body at least an hour to make blood glucose using energy stored in fat. THEN see how hungry you are.
2) Whenever you feel hungry, start with a large glass of water. Many of us are so dehydrated that we confuse thirst for hunger and get confused. Besides, being properly hydrated can increase your basal metabolic rate by as much as 3%. The "glass of water" trick is especially useful for middle-of-the-night munchies. In a study done at Johns Hopkins medical school, 100% of middle-of-the-night snackers found that a glass of water satisfied their hunger pangs.
3) Avoid artificial sweeteners and artificial fats. These fool your body into thinking that sweet things have no energy, and so you'll start craving sweets. Bad scene. If you are going to eat sugar, eat SUGAR.
4) Avoid marijuana (I know you don't smoke, Pele). Smoking marijuana while trying to lose weight is like spraying gasoline at a fire that you're trying to extinguish. Munchies bad. Everyone understand this? One friend, without making any lifestyle modifications other than quitting pot, dropped 15 pounds in three months.
5) Avoid alcohol. Obviously, moderate quantities are probably OK, but alcohol has seven Calories per gram. And it is completely metabolized in the liver, rather than in the muscles. Your average glass of wine has between 100 and 150 Calories.
6) Having said that, DON'T count Calories. Your body will do that for you. You just watch your hunger.
Good luck!
Pele, PLEASE do not do the Atkins plan.
Yes, you'll lose weight. About 20 pounds. Then the weight loss stops. Then the weight comes back. And you'll have given your pancreas a run for its money in the process, not exactly what you want to do with a family history of diabetes.
I have yet to see anyone lose more than 30 or so pounds on Atkins and I have yet to see anyone keep it off. It's unhealthy, it makes use of some physiological trickery, and your body eventually figures it out.
Here's the secret to weight loss:
CHEW YOUR FOOD. Chew your food until it just melts away in your mouth and you don't really have to swallow it. Put your fork down during this process. Then count to ten. Then ask "am I still hungry?" If the answer is "yes," then take another bite, chewing it until it disappears, putting your fork down, and waiting for 10 seconds and again, "am I hungry?"
There will come a point where when you ask yourself this, you will answer "not anymore." At that point, stop eating. You will find that you've probably eaten a third of the food on your plate. You will also get hungry again in a couple of hours. No matter what you are eating, be it an apple or a lobster, always chew until it just melts away and always keep asking yourself if you are still hungry.
What you are doing in this process is getting in contact with your body, re-learning what hunger and satiety (the opposite of hunger) feel like.
Most kids do it naturally. That's why I watch my ten-year-old nephew push a half-eaten piece of chocolate cake away and say "I'm done." I'm the only adult I know who ever eats a half a piece of chocolate cake and then pushes it away because "I'm done."
The weight loss won't come quickly. But what happens is that it starts off quickly and then starts to level off as you get closer to your ideal weight. As you get closer to your ideal weight, which your body instinctively knows, you will find yourself getting more and more hungry and eating more and more as you level off.
A side-benefit is that your body will also start telling you WHAT to eat and not just how much. When I was doing this (and lost 40 pounds and have kept them off for over two years now), I found myself craving vegetables, protein, carbs, and occasionally even fat. But my cravings for sweets were almost non-existant.
See, this is a lifestyle modification, not a diet. The trick is to eat this way for the rest of your life. Slowly, methodically. Some people do it naturally; they just graze a bit all day and eat small meals. They are uniformly slender. And you can learn to do it, too.
It's hard, it's not a quick, easy fix like the Atkins Diet promises to be, it requires discipline and focus, and it won't necessarily turn you into a fashion model. But it works if you follow through with it.
Now, a few tips:
1) Never eat right after exercising. Try to give your body at least an hour to make blood glucose using energy stored in fat. THEN see how hungry you are.
2) Whenever you feel hungry, start with a large glass of water. Many of us are so dehydrated that we confuse thirst for hunger and get confused. Besides, being properly hydrated can increase your basal metabolic rate by as much as 3%. The "glass of water" trick is especially useful for middle-of-the-night munchies. In a study done at Johns Hopkins medical school, 100% of middle-of-the-night snackers found that a glass of water satisfied their hunger pangs.
3) Avoid artificial sweeteners and artificial fats. These fool your body into thinking that sweet things have no energy, and so you'll start craving sweets. Bad scene. If you are going to eat sugar, eat SUGAR.
4) Avoid marijuana (I know you don't smoke, Pele). Smoking marijuana while trying to lose weight is like spraying gasoline at a fire that you're trying to extinguish. Munchies bad. Everyone understand this? One friend, without making any lifestyle modifications other than quitting pot, dropped 15 pounds in three months.
5) Avoid alcohol. Obviously, moderate quantities are probably OK, but alcohol has seven Calories per gram. And it is completely metabolized in the liver, rather than in the muscles. Your average glass of wine has between 100 and 150 Calories.
6) Having said that, DON'T count Calories. Your body will do that for you. You just watch your hunger.
Good luck!
-Mike
Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella
A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Actually, Mike, my friend Raquelle does Atkins, and she hasn't gained any of the weight back in nearly a year, because it doesn't take carbs fully out and it isn't a diet that garuntees weight loss, the nutritional plan is just that, it alters your intake. There is the diet, and that I know is a very bad one to follow. Thanks for the concern. I really appreciate it.
And truthfully, after looking through it, I don't think I can do it anyway. I can't take suppliments, and obvisously a person would have to on this program. Also, all the things you mentioned, I do already. In fact, most days I would rather drink something than eat, which I know is extreme. I really don't like sweets at all (I am a fruit junkie though). I know I have to cut back on Carbs, as that does tend to be a downfall, and most protien filled foods I will only eat lightly. So there are things I need to balance out, I think (I took dietary health in my herbalism course and alot of it stuck with me).
I lost alot of muscle while in the hospital, but not fat, which is leaving me feeling pretty icky, and in general my self-outlook is pretty low right now.
As far as tips, I would like to add to that..
1. Don't to eat before you exercise. It just hurts.
2. Also don't measure your loss by pounds. If you are working out (and should be if trying to change your physical appearance/overall health) you will be trading muscle mass at some point for fat, which means weight will either stay the same, or depending on the weight training, go up. Success should be measured in inches..by measuring the circumfrance of the chest, waist, hips and legs. Also success should be measured in how a person feels. Sluggish means something isn't right.
3. Proper rest (which I never get) is also important.
4. Exercising 3 times a day for 10 minutes each time (even just rapid walking) is better for weight loss than working out once for 30 min.
Thought I would just add those in.
I am also one of those people who has to constantly vary my exercise regime, other wise I get dreadully bored, and can not work out in a gym...I am really intimidated by those places!
Thanks for the advice and support guys..I really appreciate it.
PK...have you looked into the holistic approaches for back care (yoga, tai chi, pilates, accupressure/puncture)?? They might help. I don't know what else to offer you but my deepest wishes for future health.
Love to you both!
Actually, Mike, my friend Raquelle does Atkins, and she hasn't gained any of the weight back in nearly a year, because it doesn't take carbs fully out and it isn't a diet that garuntees weight loss, the nutritional plan is just that, it alters your intake. There is the diet, and that I know is a very bad one to follow. Thanks for the concern. I really appreciate it.
And truthfully, after looking through it, I don't think I can do it anyway. I can't take suppliments, and obvisously a person would have to on this program. Also, all the things you mentioned, I do already. In fact, most days I would rather drink something than eat, which I know is extreme. I really don't like sweets at all (I am a fruit junkie though). I know I have to cut back on Carbs, as that does tend to be a downfall, and most protien filled foods I will only eat lightly. So there are things I need to balance out, I think (I took dietary health in my herbalism course and alot of it stuck with me).
I lost alot of muscle while in the hospital, but not fat, which is leaving me feeling pretty icky, and in general my self-outlook is pretty low right now.
As far as tips, I would like to add to that..
1. Don't to eat before you exercise. It just hurts.
2. Also don't measure your loss by pounds. If you are working out (and should be if trying to change your physical appearance/overall health) you will be trading muscle mass at some point for fat, which means weight will either stay the same, or depending on the weight training, go up. Success should be measured in inches..by measuring the circumfrance of the chest, waist, hips and legs. Also success should be measured in how a person feels. Sluggish means something isn't right.
3. Proper rest (which I never get) is also important.
4. Exercising 3 times a day for 10 minutes each time (even just rapid walking) is better for weight loss than working out once for 30 min.
Thought I would just add those in.
I am also one of those people who has to constantly vary my exercise regime, other wise I get dreadully bored, and can not work out in a gym...I am really intimidated by those places!
Thanks for the advice and support guys..I really appreciate it.
PK...have you looked into the holistic approaches for back care (yoga, tai chi, pilates, accupressure/puncture)?? They might help. I don't know what else to offer you but my deepest wishes for future health.
Love to you both!
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posted:
Wow - this is really relevant to me right now too. Last year was a bit tricky for me in a few ways, and as a result I went into hibernation and virtually stopped exercising altogether for several months. Prior to that however, I was extremely active and just after I broke up with my partner I lost about 15kgs. Looking back at the pics I looked fantastic. But, all the weight plus more came back as soon as I stopped being active and started eating crap food.
I hate myself at the moment and am battling with the concepts of bulimia - it's just so convenient; you get to taste the food (o joy!) but my arse and thighs don't have to suffer for it. Why am I tellin you this? probably because I know that I won't do it habitually and am confident in my own mental/emotional strength... That doesn't stop me from crying when I look at recent pics of myself or hating myself for such a lack of willpower, or avoiding going out in public on weekends because I have no self confidence.
anyway, I'm trying to do it the right way. I'm eating really well, am walking after work at night and stop eating when I'm full. The cravings for sweet food and saturated fats has been exceptionally difficult to deal with, yet I've managed. Only been full of this resolve since just before new years, so no marked difference in weight yet.
I just want to be happy with myself, feel beautiful and attractive again and fit into my old clothes.
boo hoo.
Wow - this is really relevant to me right now too. Last year was a bit tricky for me in a few ways, and as a result I went into hibernation and virtually stopped exercising altogether for several months. Prior to that however, I was extremely active and just after I broke up with my partner I lost about 15kgs. Looking back at the pics I looked fantastic. But, all the weight plus more came back as soon as I stopped being active and started eating crap food.
I hate myself at the moment and am battling with the concepts of bulimia - it's just so convenient; you get to taste the food (o joy!) but my arse and thighs don't have to suffer for it. Why am I tellin you this? probably because I know that I won't do it habitually and am confident in my own mental/emotional strength... That doesn't stop me from crying when I look at recent pics of myself or hating myself for such a lack of willpower, or avoiding going out in public on weekends because I have no self confidence.
anyway, I'm trying to do it the right way. I'm eating really well, am walking after work at night and stop eating when I'm full. The cravings for sweet food and saturated fats has been exceptionally difficult to deal with, yet I've managed. Only been full of this resolve since just before new years, so no marked difference in weight yet.
I just want to be happy with myself, feel beautiful and attractive again and fit into my old clothes.
boo hoo.
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Posted:
we love you for you flash and as one who is male let me say this for all the women in here. more men prefer a woman with a real body rather than a stick insect who has staved herself to look like that.
flash as a close friend there is tow things i have to say to you
one if i eer find out you did start becoming belimic i would slap you silly and wake you into the pysic hospital that specialises in belimia and anorexia that is next door to where i work.
and two
as some one who knows you you are a beutiful person how you are and that is the most inportant thing
i am some one who is skinny
i hate being skinny it makes me feel unhealthy i am very active and i do eat a lot, in the last 6 months i have finaly been able to start putting waite back on that i lost 4 yrs ago because of glandular fever and am almost back the 65kg that i was when i got sick and am looking at trying to get up to 70-75kg before i think i will be happy with myself
i find it interesting that women always seam to want to loos wait while men always seam to want to pu it on. people are straing
we love you for you flash and as one who is male let me say this for all the women in here. more men prefer a woman with a real body rather than a stick insect who has staved herself to look like that.
flash as a close friend there is tow things i have to say to you
one if i eer find out you did start becoming belimic i would slap you silly and wake you into the pysic hospital that specialises in belimia and anorexia that is next door to where i work.
and two
as some one who knows you you are a beutiful person how you are and that is the most inportant thing
i am some one who is skinny
i hate being skinny it makes me feel unhealthy i am very active and i do eat a lot, in the last 6 months i have finaly been able to start putting waite back on that i lost 4 yrs ago because of glandular fever and am almost back the 65kg that i was when i got sick and am looking at trying to get up to 70-75kg before i think i will be happy with myself
i find it interesting that women always seam to want to loos wait while men always seam to want to pu it on. people are straing
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Posted:
thanks storma. Please do me a favour and not mention any of this to our friends. It's really personal and something that I'm trying to deal with at the moment.
The last thing I need is people telling me that I look fine - I don't FEEL fine and no amount of positive input from anyone is going to change my reflection in the mirror.
thanks storma. Please do me a favour and not mention any of this to our friends. It's really personal and something that I'm trying to deal with at the moment.
The last thing I need is people telling me that I look fine - I don't FEEL fine and no amount of positive input from anyone is going to change my reflection in the mirror.
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Location: York, England
Posted:
people are strange.
Anyone have any good suggestions for varying a routine, cause i get bored to. i just need cardio (i can actually go to the gym and lift weights if osmeone bugs me about it)
but everthing is boring, w/o othe rpeople. i do martial arts one night a week, that's about it. And i am not an aquatic animal, so swimming/surfing/etc. is out.
any thoughts people?
And i agree, btw.... most guys do like real girls, and i've known a lot of guys who would rather have plushy than flat tummies on a girl to. But any girl who tells me how to convince myself that i don't need flat abs and a perfect body, you will be my hero!
people are strange.
Anyone have any good suggestions for varying a routine, cause i get bored to. i just need cardio (i can actually go to the gym and lift weights if osmeone bugs me about it)
but everthing is boring, w/o othe rpeople. i do martial arts one night a week, that's about it. And i am not an aquatic animal, so swimming/surfing/etc. is out.
any thoughts people?
And i agree, btw.... most guys do like real girls, and i've known a lot of guys who would rather have plushy than flat tummies on a girl to. But any girl who tells me how to convince myself that i don't need flat abs and a perfect body, you will be my hero!
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
PWB is watching me for bulemia. I am bulemic. It is like being alcoholic, once you are one, you are always one. It is so much more than a weight issue. It is a way of believing you can control something in your life when everything else is out of control. It really is not easy. It hurts your teeth, burns your throat and mouth and causes alot of stomach pain. Plus, the whole time you eat, you tend to cry. No pleasant. I know you are strong enough to beat this FF...and hell, since we are in the same boat...we can do it together and celebrate when I get with you!
PWB is watching me for bulemia. I am bulemic. It is like being alcoholic, once you are one, you are always one. It is so much more than a weight issue. It is a way of believing you can control something in your life when everything else is out of control. It really is not easy. It hurts your teeth, burns your throat and mouth and causes alot of stomach pain. Plus, the whole time you eat, you tend to cry. No pleasant. I know you are strong enough to beat this FF...and hell, since we are in the same boat...we can do it together and celebrate when I get with you!
Pele
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"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Posted:
Malcolm, funny coincidence. Just before I read your post, I correctly answered a flashcard that read "List eight signs and symptoms of celiac sprue."
Funny that.
Malcolm, funny coincidence. Just before I read your post, I correctly answered a flashcard that read "List eight signs and symptoms of celiac sprue."
Funny that.
-Mike
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the henna lady
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Location: WNY, USA
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Posted:
Actually, Kyrian, I like suple musculature on a guy, not chisled. I like the strength without the girth, if that makes sense. Bulk is just that, and I want a guy who can wrap his arms around me, and still be able to put them down to the side when he is done. I don't know. I actually adore people of all shapes and sizes. Some of the most beautiful people I know are heavy. I just don't feel like one of them. Many of the guys I know say they like women who have curves and who, well, look like women, not girls (their terms, not mine).
Yet, this does not stop them from ogling the really skinny girls in mags or walking by. I don't blame them, but it makes me wonder...you know?
Malcolm, I never said your name when talking ice cream! I just love you and worry about you. I hope you aren't offended.
My dear friend Luke suffers from the same Coeliac disease. His is combined with other issues as well. He was recently diagonosed and does have a hard time with it. I feel bad sometimes because I will make dinner for the friends and remember his allergy at last minute. I adjust the food but I feel bad that I forgot in the first place. I know he is in terrible pain alot, and it really does have a profound effect on him. Support, love and respect to you for being as strong as you are.
As a matter of fact, that goes for all of you.
Actually, Kyrian, I like suple musculature on a guy, not chisled. I like the strength without the girth, if that makes sense. Bulk is just that, and I want a guy who can wrap his arms around me, and still be able to put them down to the side when he is done. I don't know. I actually adore people of all shapes and sizes. Some of the most beautiful people I know are heavy. I just don't feel like one of them. Many of the guys I know say they like women who have curves and who, well, look like women, not girls (their terms, not mine).
Yet, this does not stop them from ogling the really skinny girls in mags or walking by. I don't blame them, but it makes me wonder...you know?
Malcolm, I never said your name when talking ice cream! I just love you and worry about you. I hope you aren't offended.
My dear friend Luke suffers from the same Coeliac disease. His is combined with other issues as well. He was recently diagonosed and does have a hard time with it. I feel bad sometimes because I will make dinner for the friends and remember his allergy at last minute. I adjust the food but I feel bad that I forgot in the first place. I know he is in terrible pain alot, and it really does have a profound effect on him. Support, love and respect to you for being as strong as you are.
As a matter of fact, that goes for all of you.
Pele
Higher, higher burning fire...making music like a choir
"Oooh look! A pub!" -exclaimed after recovering from a stupid fall
"And for the decadence of art, nothing beats a roaring fire." -TMK
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Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
Posted:
Can someone explain this Atkin's Plan to me? I'm probably familiar with it but I've never heard it called that.
I know a few people who have had success with diets based on the chemistry of what they eat. It works on the premise that eating certain types of foods together will cause your body to store more fat. I can see the logic in this, since our digestive system was initially not designed to digest many types of food at once. The diet involves not eating foods high in carbohydrates and foods high in, say, protein at the same time, since this supposedly makes the digestive system less efficient and slows down the metabolism. Because of the way it works, if you are on a 'protein' day you can eat a whole chicken if you want, but you couldn't have potatoes with it. The next day is a 'carb' day and you can have as much pasta, potatoes etc as you want. In addition to this, of course, you still have to cut down on sugary junk food
At the risk of being hated, and in all seriousness, I could use some dietary advice too.. I could use some MORE weight. My metabolism is through the roof, no matter what and how much I eat, I can't put on weight. I'm told that if I intake more calories than I expend I *have* to put on weight, but I think my body compensates for this ie. I find it hard to sleep unless I am physically too tired to stay awake (if I wake up at 8am, it can take until 4-5am or later the next morning to wear out).
I tried weight training which helped, but I never really wanted to be Mr Universe and it got to the stage where I didn't want to gain any more from weight training.. though I am still underweight.
Anyone have any dietary advice on foods/combinations of foods that might slow down the metabolism or cause more fat to be stored?
[ 13. January 2003, 14:55: Message edited by: Kev ]
Can someone explain this Atkin's Plan to me? I'm probably familiar with it but I've never heard it called that.
I know a few people who have had success with diets based on the chemistry of what they eat. It works on the premise that eating certain types of foods together will cause your body to store more fat. I can see the logic in this, since our digestive system was initially not designed to digest many types of food at once. The diet involves not eating foods high in carbohydrates and foods high in, say, protein at the same time, since this supposedly makes the digestive system less efficient and slows down the metabolism. Because of the way it works, if you are on a 'protein' day you can eat a whole chicken if you want, but you couldn't have potatoes with it. The next day is a 'carb' day and you can have as much pasta, potatoes etc as you want. In addition to this, of course, you still have to cut down on sugary junk food
At the risk of being hated, and in all seriousness, I could use some dietary advice too.. I could use some MORE weight. My metabolism is through the roof, no matter what and how much I eat, I can't put on weight. I'm told that if I intake more calories than I expend I *have* to put on weight, but I think my body compensates for this ie. I find it hard to sleep unless I am physically too tired to stay awake (if I wake up at 8am, it can take until 4-5am or later the next morning to wear out).
I tried weight training which helped, but I never really wanted to be Mr Universe and it got to the stage where I didn't want to gain any more from weight training.. though I am still underweight.
Anyone have any dietary advice on foods/combinations of foods that might slow down the metabolism or cause more fat to be stored?
[ 13. January 2003, 14:55: Message edited by: Kev ]
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pele re muscle on men (also good for women to) i found the best work out to get that sort of muscle is rock climbing. yoga you can get a lot of strenth from as well but i found you get more from climbing and you dont end up looking like heman from it either (plus rock climbers have much stronger hands than those that do yoga )
i have climbed since was 9 (am 24 now) haventclimbed much in the last 4 yrs but i still notice some of the strenth that i had when i was climbing and look forward to geting ack to that forma self now that i have made time in my life once more to do what i love to do
now if only i could find the money to go skiing again theni would be in heaven
[ 13. January 2003, 16:00: Message edited by: brainstorma ]
pele re muscle on men (also good for women to) i found the best work out to get that sort of muscle is rock climbing. yoga you can get a lot of strenth from as well but i found you get more from climbing and you dont end up looking like heman from it either (plus rock climbers have much stronger hands than those that do yoga )
i have climbed since was 9 (am 24 now) haventclimbed much in the last 4 yrs but i still notice some of the strenth that i had when i was climbing and look forward to geting ack to that forma self now that i have made time in my life once more to do what i love to do
now if only i could find the money to go skiing again theni would be in heaven
[ 13. January 2003, 16:00: Message edited by: brainstorma ]
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Kev, there are all sorts of theories out there that sound nice and reasoned-out, but when you actually study the way that things work, they make no sense at all. The human digestive tract, like every other animal's digestive tract, is designed to be flexible, adaptable, and efficient.
In the end, the only way to lose weight is to consume less energy in a day than you expend. It's that simple. Eat a whole chicken in a day and you will store it as fat. Eat ten potatoes the next day and you'll store them as fat, too. Eat them at the same time and...guess what...they get stored as fat. The body's systems for converting types of molecules back and forth are truly astounding...and most ANYTHING can be turned into fat, whether it's protein, sugar, carbs, nucleotides, or even other fats.
Everyone is always running after the latest crackpot "holy grail" that will allow them to miraculously stay thin while eating embarassing quantities. Doesn't work that way. Never has. Never will.
In the end, the only way to lose weight is to buckle down and cut your intake. You can use the method I described above or you can join a program like Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig. Also, boosting energy output with regular exercise, whether it's Pele's 10 minutes three times a day or my 1.5 hour competitive swim workouts, will help you burn fat more quickly.
I wish there was an easier way. A way that allowed you to eat and eat and yet miraculously lose weight just by cutting out this or that food. But there isn't. The human body isn't designed that way. It's designed to seek and store energy in an environment where grocery stores were never invented.
Kev, there are all sorts of theories out there that sound nice and reasoned-out, but when you actually study the way that things work, they make no sense at all. The human digestive tract, like every other animal's digestive tract, is designed to be flexible, adaptable, and efficient.
In the end, the only way to lose weight is to consume less energy in a day than you expend. It's that simple. Eat a whole chicken in a day and you will store it as fat. Eat ten potatoes the next day and you'll store them as fat, too. Eat them at the same time and...guess what...they get stored as fat. The body's systems for converting types of molecules back and forth are truly astounding...and most ANYTHING can be turned into fat, whether it's protein, sugar, carbs, nucleotides, or even other fats.
Everyone is always running after the latest crackpot "holy grail" that will allow them to miraculously stay thin while eating embarassing quantities. Doesn't work that way. Never has. Never will.
In the end, the only way to lose weight is to buckle down and cut your intake. You can use the method I described above or you can join a program like Weight Watchers or Jenny Craig. Also, boosting energy output with regular exercise, whether it's Pele's 10 minutes three times a day or my 1.5 hour competitive swim workouts, will help you burn fat more quickly.
I wish there was an easier way. A way that allowed you to eat and eat and yet miraculously lose weight just by cutting out this or that food. But there isn't. The human body isn't designed that way. It's designed to seek and store energy in an environment where grocery stores were never invented.
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I agree with you Mike. I was just saying that I know people who have lost weight on that diet.
I agree with you Mike. I was just saying that I know people who have lost weight on that diet.
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Just be careful with any low carbs diet. I know a lot of people who in fact gain weight on them, due to constipation. The problem is that a lot of people take low carbs to mean low fibre. A girl I was working with was on a low carbs diet, lost a few kilos, and was so determined to keep on the diet that she took laxatives. The reason? She hadn't had a shit in a week, and rather than come off the diet...
Just be careful with any low carbs diet. I know a lot of people who in fact gain weight on them, due to constipation. The problem is that a lot of people take low carbs to mean low fibre. A girl I was working with was on a low carbs diet, lost a few kilos, and was so determined to keep on the diet that she took laxatives. The reason? She hadn't had a shit in a week, and rather than come off the diet...
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Actually, here is a good time to introduce some of the more ridiculous and dangerousdieting ideas I have collected in my short lifetime:
1. The model diet: champagne & cigarettes
2. variation on the model diet, take up smoking to lose weight
3. Eat cottonwool soaked in orange juice, it fills you up so your aren't hungry anymore.
These are some of the absolutely stupid things I have heard people suggest, one day I will write a book
Serious side: sometimes it can be good to do a weeks cleansing diet. Especially if you are getting odd tummy complaints (upset stomache etc). Research what you are doing, stop it if you feel any ill effects, and don't do it for weight, do it to help your stomache work better.
Actually, here is a good time to introduce some of the more ridiculous and dangerousdieting ideas I have collected in my short lifetime:
1. The model diet: champagne & cigarettes
2. variation on the model diet, take up smoking to lose weight
3. Eat cottonwool soaked in orange juice, it fills you up so your aren't hungry anymore.
These are some of the absolutely stupid things I have heard people suggest, one day I will write a book
Serious side: sometimes it can be good to do a weeks cleansing diet. Especially if you are getting odd tummy complaints (upset stomache etc). Research what you are doing, stop it if you feel any ill effects, and don't do it for weight, do it to help your stomache work better.
It was a day for screaming at inanimate objects.
What this calls for is a special mix of psychology and extreme violence...
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Mike,
Your first post was fantastic. Nice to read some logic and reason every once in a while.
I've been underweight my whole life and for the first time in probably 10 years have gained a bit of weight. I'm not sure how I feel about it, except for the fact that it's strange that some of my pants don't fit. Just too bad my Italian grandma didn't live to see it. She always gave me heck for being skinny.
Mike,
Your first post was fantastic. Nice to read some logic and reason every once in a while.
I've been underweight my whole life and for the first time in probably 10 years have gained a bit of weight. I'm not sure how I feel about it, except for the fact that it's strange that some of my pants don't fit. Just too bad my Italian grandma didn't live to see it. She always gave me heck for being skinny.
Well, shall we go?
Yes, let's go.
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I can already hear people getting mad at me for what I'm about to put down but here goes.None of it is meant in cruelty.
To me the whole idea that in order to be beautiful you have to be in good shape is just crap.I also feel that some people should fix the problem in their head before they start to worry about their body.True beauty is on the inside no matter what anyone says.I myself am quite overweight though I don't look as much as I weigh.Regardless I would like to lose the extra to be in good health.I wouldn't care if my figure was less than exemplary for the rest of my life as long as I can run a couple flights of stairs without getting winded.If other people don't like the way I look then that is too f***ing bad.So what I'm trying to say is remember that the real you is on the inside.You can have that model type figure and still be an ugly bitch.To those who may apply,anyone who tells you they care about you and then says you need to lose some weight because you don't look as good as you used to doesn't care that much about you.If they are concerned with your health that is one thing but for any other reason then that is just bollocks.
As for checking out the skinny girls in mags and walking by I seriously think it is just a natural male reflex.I do it all the time even to girls I know off the bat that I won't like.
Anyway Pele,FF don't feel ugly because I'm sure that you are not.Just be sure you are doing this for your health and not to live up to society's standard of beauty.
I can already hear people getting mad at me for what I'm about to put down but here goes.None of it is meant in cruelty.
To me the whole idea that in order to be beautiful you have to be in good shape is just crap.I also feel that some people should fix the problem in their head before they start to worry about their body.True beauty is on the inside no matter what anyone says.I myself am quite overweight though I don't look as much as I weigh.Regardless I would like to lose the extra to be in good health.I wouldn't care if my figure was less than exemplary for the rest of my life as long as I can run a couple flights of stairs without getting winded.If other people don't like the way I look then that is too f***ing bad.So what I'm trying to say is remember that the real you is on the inside.You can have that model type figure and still be an ugly bitch.To those who may apply,anyone who tells you they care about you and then says you need to lose some weight because you don't look as good as you used to doesn't care that much about you.If they are concerned with your health that is one thing but for any other reason then that is just bollocks.
As for checking out the skinny girls in mags and walking by I seriously think it is just a natural male reflex.I do it all the time even to girls I know off the bat that I won't like.
Anyway Pele,FF don't feel ugly because I'm sure that you are not.Just be sure you are doing this for your health and not to live up to society's standard of beauty.
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I used to battle with anorexia/bulimia for a few years... about 5 years ago now... I don't anymore (thank God) .. but its the mental training that you have to do to get out of it that is sooo hard. If I can do it, anyone can, damnit. It just takes time... and practise. And slipping up every now and then is what the world is about.
However, I went to a naturopath once who was also a nutritionist. Protein rich foods fill you up more than carb rich foods. (Well... faster..or for longer...) And eating a breakfast really high in protein will fill you up more and have you snacking less throughout the day. Obviously, do not steer clear of all fats and carbs. This all needs to be balanced. Excess proteins however, are processed by the kidneys not absorbed as fats by the body if they don't get used. And snacking frequently also keeps the metabolism speedy. Just do it healthily. e.g. try and stick to fresh foods, without additives...fruit and veges are never bad things.
Lots of excercise... do NOT let it become a focal point of your life though. It's NOT worth it EVER. Life is meant to be enjoyed not obsess over how you look cos everyone around you loves you for who you are, not what you look like. That said, its important to be healthy. So get plenty of excercise... eat fresh foods.. stay away from fast food outlets... (oh, except sushi ) and most importantly, stay happy. "What's the Matter with Mary Jane" is a e.d. book that puts stuff into perspective. It's funny..and informative...and while aimed at teenagers I reckon anyone could get something out of it and relate.
If anyone needs to chat about eating disorders.. I do have a fair amount of experience. (With myself!) .. And recovering from it.. I can't tell you what to do, I can just tell you what I did.
Seriously... reaching out here...cos I know these thing can be scary. Don't want ppl to do what I did etc....
Much love to all... you are beautiful the way you are. (Yes, even if you think you weigh too much! I mean it!)
P.S (second edit) I too suffer from Coeliac. It's not all that hard. There is icecream and chocky and gluten free pasta and pesto and lots of delicious stuff for us to eat. Oh and sausages..mm... but anyways.. it takes getting used to ... but definitely not disadvantaged. (I don't even crave bakery food anymore - cos it makes me feel sickly)
[ 13. January 2003, 21:23: Message edited by: s-p-l-a-t ]
I used to battle with anorexia/bulimia for a few years... about 5 years ago now... I don't anymore (thank God) .. but its the mental training that you have to do to get out of it that is sooo hard. If I can do it, anyone can, damnit. It just takes time... and practise. And slipping up every now and then is what the world is about.
However, I went to a naturopath once who was also a nutritionist. Protein rich foods fill you up more than carb rich foods. (Well... faster..or for longer...) And eating a breakfast really high in protein will fill you up more and have you snacking less throughout the day. Obviously, do not steer clear of all fats and carbs. This all needs to be balanced. Excess proteins however, are processed by the kidneys not absorbed as fats by the body if they don't get used. And snacking frequently also keeps the metabolism speedy. Just do it healthily. e.g. try and stick to fresh foods, without additives...fruit and veges are never bad things.
Lots of excercise... do NOT let it become a focal point of your life though. It's NOT worth it EVER. Life is meant to be enjoyed not obsess over how you look cos everyone around you loves you for who you are, not what you look like. That said, its important to be healthy. So get plenty of excercise... eat fresh foods.. stay away from fast food outlets... (oh, except sushi ) and most importantly, stay happy. "What's the Matter with Mary Jane" is a e.d. book that puts stuff into perspective. It's funny..and informative...and while aimed at teenagers I reckon anyone could get something out of it and relate.
If anyone needs to chat about eating disorders.. I do have a fair amount of experience. (With myself!) .. And recovering from it.. I can't tell you what to do, I can just tell you what I did.
Seriously... reaching out here...cos I know these thing can be scary. Don't want ppl to do what I did etc....
Much love to all... you are beautiful the way you are. (Yes, even if you think you weigh too much! I mean it!)
P.S (second edit) I too suffer from Coeliac. It's not all that hard. There is icecream and chocky and gluten free pasta and pesto and lots of delicious stuff for us to eat. Oh and sausages..mm... but anyways.. it takes getting used to ... but definitely not disadvantaged. (I don't even crave bakery food anymore - cos it makes me feel sickly)
[ 13. January 2003, 21:23: Message edited by: s-p-l-a-t ]
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Well, over the last 5-6 months I've had some success in losing weight. It's been a VERY slow process, I've lost perhaps 5 - 6kg in that period. I need to lose at least that much again to be within a healthy range. As I'm only 150cm tall, it's going to be hard.
I've found that FOR ME, there have been two things that have really made a difference. The first is that, although I have the healthiest diet of anyone I know (and I mean that seriously) I was just plain eating too much. I got a diet sheet from the doctor, and when I started measuring out portions, I was shocked to find out how much I needed to reduce my portion size by. I almost cried, thank heaven for free list vegetables!!
The second thing is that I have started doing upper body weights. I've never had much upper body musculature at all, and although the increase in muscle is hardly noticeable, I really notice the effect on my weight.
I can do massive amounts of cardio-vascular excercise and it will do nothing as far as losing weight is concerned (and I mean cycling into work 3 - 4 times a week type cardio work). However building upper body strenght has made an immense difference.
I really can't stress that this was just my solution. It may well not work for anyone else, but if you haven't tried the calorie reduction / weights method, you may find it worth while trying out.
Well, over the last 5-6 months I've had some success in losing weight. It's been a VERY slow process, I've lost perhaps 5 - 6kg in that period. I need to lose at least that much again to be within a healthy range. As I'm only 150cm tall, it's going to be hard.
I've found that FOR ME, there have been two things that have really made a difference. The first is that, although I have the healthiest diet of anyone I know (and I mean that seriously) I was just plain eating too much. I got a diet sheet from the doctor, and when I started measuring out portions, I was shocked to find out how much I needed to reduce my portion size by. I almost cried, thank heaven for free list vegetables!!
The second thing is that I have started doing upper body weights. I've never had much upper body musculature at all, and although the increase in muscle is hardly noticeable, I really notice the effect on my weight.
I can do massive amounts of cardio-vascular excercise and it will do nothing as far as losing weight is concerned (and I mean cycling into work 3 - 4 times a week type cardio work). However building upper body strenght has made an immense difference.
I really can't stress that this was just my solution. It may well not work for anyone else, but if you haven't tried the calorie reduction / weights method, you may find it worth while trying out.
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Oh, forgot to say that the other thing that has made a real difference to how I feel about myself is the clothes I wear. In the last few years I've started wearing clothes that suit me much better and make the most of the good points of my figure (boobs and a waist!!).
The process started about 10 years ago when I learned what colours suit me. Then a couple of years ago I realised that I looked better wearing SMALLER clothes that fitted me more closely. Then I realised that I actually have quite a decent set of boobs and started showing them off and I've really started feeling much better about myself.
Now I just have to figure out how to disguise my huge hips! I was given the 'What not to wear' book for Christmas by a close friend, and on reading it have realised that I have a sticky-out stomach, saddlebags, and a big backside. Sadly, the advice for all these 'problems' is contradictory!!
Oh, forgot to say that the other thing that has made a real difference to how I feel about myself is the clothes I wear. In the last few years I've started wearing clothes that suit me much better and make the most of the good points of my figure (boobs and a waist!!).
The process started about 10 years ago when I learned what colours suit me. Then a couple of years ago I realised that I looked better wearing SMALLER clothes that fitted me more closely. Then I realised that I actually have quite a decent set of boobs and started showing them off and I've really started feeling much better about myself.
Now I just have to figure out how to disguise my huge hips! I was given the 'What not to wear' book for Christmas by a close friend, and on reading it have realised that I have a sticky-out stomach, saddlebags, and a big backside. Sadly, the advice for all these 'problems' is contradictory!!
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Hi Pele,
if you are bloodtype O and vegetarian/vegan, than you're body can't feel well. I was vegetarian for years and when I started working physically I couldn't eat enough food to give me the energy I needed. I'm bloodtype O. Now I eat some meat, actually my body craves it and I feel much better.
When I cut out all cheese and butter I lost weight.
If once a day you start moving enough to start sweating you will lose weight.
For muscles : find a monkeybar or some rafters and hang yourself off it. then try pulling yourself up. You'll get much stronger even tho progress can be very slow. (and i f*'*# hate push ups)
last year i had a very hard time, I lost 20 pounds and almost cried when I saw myself in the mirror. And that's weird cause I've never been skinny, I'm tall, big boned, and ehm, a real woman with all the parts. as long as I like the clothes I'm wearing than I feel good. And for the longest time this past year I couln neither eat nor drink (i was kinda getting ready to die), so now I'm really glad for my blessed appetite. and i walk at least 3 miles every day, if I don't move I feel yucky.
A friend told me recently about ayuverdic diet. that seems to work for her better than any of the other 2million things she's tried.
And check out the bloodtype thing. Someone wrote a book about that.
And eat your greens, and fruits. and for heaven's sake don't throw up. you'll ruin your teeth, stomach lining and throat.
Health.
Hi Pele,
if you are bloodtype O and vegetarian/vegan, than you're body can't feel well. I was vegetarian for years and when I started working physically I couldn't eat enough food to give me the energy I needed. I'm bloodtype O. Now I eat some meat, actually my body craves it and I feel much better.
When I cut out all cheese and butter I lost weight.
If once a day you start moving enough to start sweating you will lose weight.
For muscles : find a monkeybar or some rafters and hang yourself off it. then try pulling yourself up. You'll get much stronger even tho progress can be very slow. (and i f*'*# hate push ups)
last year i had a very hard time, I lost 20 pounds and almost cried when I saw myself in the mirror. And that's weird cause I've never been skinny, I'm tall, big boned, and ehm, a real woman with all the parts. as long as I like the clothes I'm wearing than I feel good. And for the longest time this past year I couln neither eat nor drink (i was kinda getting ready to die), so now I'm really glad for my blessed appetite. and i walk at least 3 miles every day, if I don't move I feel yucky.
A friend told me recently about ayuverdic diet. that seems to work for her better than any of the other 2million things she's tried.
And check out the bloodtype thing. Someone wrote a book about that.
And eat your greens, and fruits. and for heaven's sake don't throw up. you'll ruin your teeth, stomach lining and throat.
Health.
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i truely feel for those of you with these weight issues. diets are a journey, you`ve gotta try things out and see what works for you.
my lady is japanesse and has in the past year or so taken a likeing to western foods, cereals and white bread, now she is always hungery and putting on some pounds which is bothering her, but to stop eating the comforting carbs is very hard to do.
Mr Atkin was on Larry King live and i beleif him, he seemed very on to it, but if you can`t stick to the diet then don`t do it, it requires lifestyle changes and thats really what diets are, if not of course it willnot work.
and walking is best, if you can walk an hour aday, then you can eat whatever and still(at least i do) not put on any weight.
my love goes out to those of you who have troubles with food and weight. if you are lost just ask god, its a bugger being a pagan sometimes.
i truely feel for those of you with these weight issues. diets are a journey, you`ve gotta try things out and see what works for you.
my lady is japanesse and has in the past year or so taken a likeing to western foods, cereals and white bread, now she is always hungery and putting on some pounds which is bothering her, but to stop eating the comforting carbs is very hard to do.
Mr Atkin was on Larry King live and i beleif him, he seemed very on to it, but if you can`t stick to the diet then don`t do it, it requires lifestyle changes and thats really what diets are, if not of course it willnot work.
and walking is best, if you can walk an hour aday, then you can eat whatever and still(at least i do) not put on any weight.
my love goes out to those of you who have troubles with food and weight. if you are lost just ask god, its a bugger being a pagan sometimes.
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Hi Pele,
forgot to tell you about the magic herb chickweed (stellaria media) which grows everywhere and looks like it's called - little star flower.
it's got saponines and the only herb known to date that actually goes into your cells, grabs the fat, and runs...
- all the environmental poisons, hormons and pesticides from food attach to our fat cells. this lil herb gently removes them (all the yuck), and the fat. magic !
i love to eat it raw when i can find it (it truly grows everywhere and thru the winter, even under snow !) and it it yummy !!
find yourself a good plant book. u know it's truly the real zhing when you hold it up - there's a fine line growing up against the stem which jumps around the stem at the next intersetion of leaves, then jumps again and so forth.
it's one of those old wife remedies for losing weight
i like it because it's cheaper and fresher and better than any greens i find in the winter
and healthy!
enjoy.
Hi Pele,
forgot to tell you about the magic herb chickweed (stellaria media) which grows everywhere and looks like it's called - little star flower.
it's got saponines and the only herb known to date that actually goes into your cells, grabs the fat, and runs...
- all the environmental poisons, hormons and pesticides from food attach to our fat cells. this lil herb gently removes them (all the yuck), and the fat. magic !
i love to eat it raw when i can find it (it truly grows everywhere and thru the winter, even under snow !) and it it yummy !!
find yourself a good plant book. u know it's truly the real zhing when you hold it up - there's a fine line growing up against the stem which jumps around the stem at the next intersetion of leaves, then jumps again and so forth.
it's one of those old wife remedies for losing weight
i like it because it's cheaper and fresher and better than any greens i find in the winter
and healthy!
enjoy.
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But maybe I just need to detox for a week or something??
Thanks Rozi
quote:I've been going to Weight Watchers for a while now and have lost quite a bit of weight. But just recently I've been having really bad stomach cramps and feeling really sick. The doctors given me antibiotics to take for a week and told me if it doesn't get better to have some blood tests done.
Originally posted by Rozi:
Serious side: sometimes it can be good to do a weeks cleansing diet. Especially if you are getting odd tummy complaints (upset stomache etc).
But maybe I just need to detox for a week or something??
Thanks Rozi
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
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Location: San Francisco, CA, USA
Posted:
About detoxification schemes:
Be careful. Your liver and kidneys are responsible for removing toxins (or keeping them from even getting into your body). They do an excellent job.
There are specific chemicals that we can use to help detoxify people who have been exposed to specific environmental toxins. For example, sodium thyocyanate can be used to treat cyanide poisoning (although usually by the time someone presents to the ER with cyanide poisoning it's too late).
A lot of these "detoxification" schemes can actually use some powerful herbs that are themselves detoxified by the liver. This can elevate or depress the levels of the enzymes that detoxify these chemicals and this can cause some serious interactions with other herbs and many OTC drugs.
It's important that you really do the research on these things before taking them. Make sure that it's known what exactly in the herb is supposed to work and how it's metabolized.
I've heard of more than one patient who got into serious trouble because of taking too many herbs. People assume they're safe because they're just herbs. They forget that many powerful pharmaceuticals are extracted from those very herbs.
About detoxification schemes:
Be careful. Your liver and kidneys are responsible for removing toxins (or keeping them from even getting into your body). They do an excellent job.
There are specific chemicals that we can use to help detoxify people who have been exposed to specific environmental toxins. For example, sodium thyocyanate can be used to treat cyanide poisoning (although usually by the time someone presents to the ER with cyanide poisoning it's too late).
A lot of these "detoxification" schemes can actually use some powerful herbs that are themselves detoxified by the liver. This can elevate or depress the levels of the enzymes that detoxify these chemicals and this can cause some serious interactions with other herbs and many OTC drugs.
It's important that you really do the research on these things before taking them. Make sure that it's known what exactly in the herb is supposed to work and how it's metabolized.
I've heard of more than one patient who got into serious trouble because of taking too many herbs. People assume they're safe because they're just herbs. They forget that many powerful pharmaceuticals are extracted from those very herbs.
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Location: austin,tx
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Location: austin,tx
Posted:
okay check this, esp. hels bells
in my opinion you need to do a colon cleansing. all the junk that has been stuck in the corners of your colon is now being exposed and digested. i would immediately take some psyllium husk powder, and if necessarry, a light diarhhetic herb like "smooth move" tea. you can even do an enema if you go there. it is VERY important whlie doing any special dieting, or ESPECIALLY during any detoxification, to keep your colon clean, or you are simply making things WORSE. as mike said, your body and liver are having a hard enough time dealing with the diet changes and herbs. also- those antibiotics are going to do even more damage to your already stressed body. if you must take them, be sure to take some enzymes to replace the good ones being wholesale wiped out. yogurt is great.
okay check this, esp. hels bells
in my opinion you need to do a colon cleansing. all the junk that has been stuck in the corners of your colon is now being exposed and digested. i would immediately take some psyllium husk powder, and if necessarry, a light diarhhetic herb like "smooth move" tea. you can even do an enema if you go there. it is VERY important whlie doing any special dieting, or ESPECIALLY during any detoxification, to keep your colon clean, or you are simply making things WORSE. as mike said, your body and liver are having a hard enough time dealing with the diet changes and herbs. also- those antibiotics are going to do even more damage to your already stressed body. if you must take them, be sure to take some enzymes to replace the good ones being wholesale wiped out. yogurt is great.
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Location: WNY, USA
the henna lady
6,193 posts
Location: WNY, USA
Posted:
Okay....so herbs. Awhile ago I received my cert. in Herbal Health Naturopathy (I am a woman of many interests). One of the cardinal things we learned is that you take unprocessed herbs (meaning those in gel caps) moderately for three weeks, then take one week off. They are supplemental and complimentive with current medical options, not instead of. In extraneous doses (which is really what people do) ANYTHING is dangerous, especially fat blockers.There are also vitamins and herbs which require very exact dosing or they work against your body, not with it. Chickweed is one of these. Just to warn you all.
Here is what I am doing. Getting up early. Drinking a glass of juice. I warm up using Tai Chi for about 15-30 min. Then I dance...for 1 1/2 hours (bellydance), sometimes more. Then I get Noah ready and off to school. Come home Then I train on my tools, or choreograph, or whatever. Then I get ready and head out to my day. I eat lightly after that (at about 10 ish). I then eat lightly about every three hours. In the middle of the day I walk, dance..something small for about 10 min, if I get droopy. I do the same thing later in the day about 5-ish. I do yoga right before bed to "calm down". I am decreasing sugars, carbs and fats. Not eliminating. But like Mike, along time ago I found that if I decrease then I don't crave. The only really time I spend doing a hefty workout is really in the morning.
As a bulemic (like alcoholic..once you are, you always are) when I get upset my first impulse is to eat. As a recovering my second impulse is to not eat because then I can't binge. This is where my problems come in, and where I will be turning to you all for help. Also, those days when I will sit here instead of working out...which I did work out today, and I got part of a show choreographed!
So...how's that? Healthy and not to stringent? I hope! I guess we'll all see at the end of the year, right?
Hugs and love to everyone for help and input. I really have taken it to heart!
And I had never heard the blood type thing. I am AB pos. I have no idea what that would mean in a dietatic sense.
Hugs and love to all...
Okay....so herbs. Awhile ago I received my cert. in Herbal Health Naturopathy (I am a woman of many interests). One of the cardinal things we learned is that you take unprocessed herbs (meaning those in gel caps) moderately for three weeks, then take one week off. They are supplemental and complimentive with current medical options, not instead of. In extraneous doses (which is really what people do) ANYTHING is dangerous, especially fat blockers.There are also vitamins and herbs which require very exact dosing or they work against your body, not with it. Chickweed is one of these. Just to warn you all.
Here is what I am doing. Getting up early. Drinking a glass of juice. I warm up using Tai Chi for about 15-30 min. Then I dance...for 1 1/2 hours (bellydance), sometimes more. Then I get Noah ready and off to school. Come home Then I train on my tools, or choreograph, or whatever. Then I get ready and head out to my day. I eat lightly after that (at about 10 ish). I then eat lightly about every three hours. In the middle of the day I walk, dance..something small for about 10 min, if I get droopy. I do the same thing later in the day about 5-ish. I do yoga right before bed to "calm down". I am decreasing sugars, carbs and fats. Not eliminating. But like Mike, along time ago I found that if I decrease then I don't crave. The only really time I spend doing a hefty workout is really in the morning.
As a bulemic (like alcoholic..once you are, you always are) when I get upset my first impulse is to eat. As a recovering my second impulse is to not eat because then I can't binge. This is where my problems come in, and where I will be turning to you all for help. Also, those days when I will sit here instead of working out...which I did work out today, and I got part of a show choreographed!
So...how's that? Healthy and not to stringent? I hope! I guess we'll all see at the end of the year, right?
Hugs and love to everyone for help and input. I really have taken it to heart!
And I had never heard the blood type thing. I am AB pos. I have no idea what that would mean in a dietatic sense.
Hugs and love to all...
Pele
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Location: Stillwater, Ok. USA
Posted:
My speciality is natural healing and herbal medicine. My Dad was diagnosed with late onset diabeties a couple years ago, he was fat too. (it is the type of diabetes where your blood sugar will spike realy dangerousely high after eating sugary food) He is a doctor too, so he did research on diabetes and diets. and came to the conclusion that most of these diets are bullshit, and often diabetes is due more to lifestyle and type of food intake, than something "uncontrolable", or "natural part of getting old", genetic and you can't do anything about it".
So, here is the diet that caused his diabetes to go away, his fat to go away, and his cholesterol to go down.
To put it in simple form, don't eat anything white. Raw sugar, white bread, white rice, white pasta, potatoes. Stay away from fatty foods, like red meat, and pork. Fruits are healthy for their vitamins and enzymes, but they contain to much sugar, so don't eat a lot of fruit (take vitamins instead) And of course, DON'T DRINK SODA POP. Simple hugh? except that it means you will either need to cook all you own food (because almost all food served in resturants or fast food chains is TERRIBLE for you) or eat at subway!
that subway diet realy does work, if you eat the low fat stuff, and stay away from white breads (only whole wheat)
I will tell you why all this works. Every day you use up energy, even sleeping uses up energy. you can look at it as a very simple equation, food=energy. If you eat more energy that your body uses, then where does that energy go to? FAT that's right the F word. Our bodys have this wonderful ability to store extra energy, for use later. Unfortunatly, if a person takes in more energy that they use, over a long period of time they will get obeise.
Now, the next important fact, some foods contain more energy than others (some even use up more energy to digest than they give you) Fat and carbohydrates (starch, sugar) contain the most energy, protien contains the lowest energy. Food high in fiber inhibits absorption of energy. So, if you eat white bread (or white rice) etc, the energy goes right into your body (it is absorbed through the stomach and intestines more easily). But, if you eat whole grain foods, the fiber will keep some of the energy from entering your body, you will get a fuller stomach while intaking less energy (because fiber takes up space that could be used for carbs and fat) and there will be a slower, smaller spike in your blood sugar level (which is the main symptom of (type II)diabeties)
So, what do you eat? lots of lean meat (baked or grilled fish, chicken [no skin on chicken, no fried chicken, just baked or grilled]), lots of vegetables, and only whole grains. If you eat this stuff, you will feel full, and you will loose weight.
I have major disagreement with the way most MD's prescribe diets to people with (type 1) diabeties. Doctors often perscribe that you eat a steady intake of high sugar food all day, if you have diabetes. Sugar and carbohydrates are absorbed very quickly by your body. It is the fast spike in blood sugar that is the main problem, because after the spike (even in normal people) there will be a crash in your blood sugar level. This crash is VERY dangerouse to people with type 1 diabeties. This crash also makes you hungry again (which makes you want to eat again soon after eating that high sugar food) It is like a visiouse cycle. People with type 1 diabetes should also eat fat too (along with lots of vegetables, and protien and high fiber food, whole grain, etc) Because these food are digested slowly, and this keeps your body from having sharp spikes and crashes in the blood sugar level.
MD's sometimes treat the just the symptoms, and not the disease, because that is the way they are trained. And for some doctors it is also a way to keep you coming back for more medicine. (more money for them) [my dad worked with a surgeon who's favorite saying is "a chance to cut is a chance to cure, my pocket book"] Certainly most doctors are honest and caring, and if they are not giving you the proper (or the best) care for your particular illness, it is likely due to a lack in their training and education. There is so much new information that is learned every day, that it would be imposible for any one doctor to know everything about everything, or even most things about most things. That is why people go get "second opinions". Some diseases are difficult to diagnose, and some diseases have simila symptoms. anyways, back to the discution.
If you change your diet to the one I am recomending, your body will not have sharp spikes in it's blood sugar level. And protien is digested slower than carbohydrates (and fat is digested slowly too). So if you eat lots of protien and fiber (and eat some fat too, but only if you are not trying to loose weight), your body will not get sharp changes in the blood sugar level, and there will be no sudden crashes.
I remind you, the first diet I listed is for people with the type of diabetes that sets in with obesity, usually occuring late in life. It is the type of diabetes where your blood sugar goes to high right after you eat sugary food. If you are on medication, don't stop taking it suddenly without consulting with your pharmacist or doctor, as sometime drugs can be harmfull if you stop taking them suddenly.
there is another type of diabetes that people are basicaly born with, and it is mostly genetic. However, the same diet changes will also help this type (with the addition of small amounts of fat to the diet, as writen above).
Now, if you do have any type of diabetes, don't just all of a sudden stop taking your medicine, but instead, change your diet first, and you will eventualy notice that your blood sugar doesn't spike as high (and doesn't crash as low), and eventually, you may even be able to eat sugary food again (but don't do it often) and your blood sugar will not spike. It may take 4 months to see changes in your blood sugar level spikes, but the fat will start to disapear from your body soon.
There is also a very long list of diseases that the low fat version of this diet with cure and prevent.
If anybody has a problem with something in this post, or more information to suplement (or disprove) anything I said here, please let me know.
[ 18. January 2003, 14:08: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
My speciality is natural healing and herbal medicine. My Dad was diagnosed with late onset diabeties a couple years ago, he was fat too. (it is the type of diabetes where your blood sugar will spike realy dangerousely high after eating sugary food) He is a doctor too, so he did research on diabetes and diets. and came to the conclusion that most of these diets are bullshit, and often diabetes is due more to lifestyle and type of food intake, than something "uncontrolable", or "natural part of getting old", genetic and you can't do anything about it".
So, here is the diet that caused his diabetes to go away, his fat to go away, and his cholesterol to go down.
To put it in simple form, don't eat anything white. Raw sugar, white bread, white rice, white pasta, potatoes. Stay away from fatty foods, like red meat, and pork. Fruits are healthy for their vitamins and enzymes, but they contain to much sugar, so don't eat a lot of fruit (take vitamins instead) And of course, DON'T DRINK SODA POP. Simple hugh? except that it means you will either need to cook all you own food (because almost all food served in resturants or fast food chains is TERRIBLE for you) or eat at subway!
that subway diet realy does work, if you eat the low fat stuff, and stay away from white breads (only whole wheat)
I will tell you why all this works. Every day you use up energy, even sleeping uses up energy. you can look at it as a very simple equation, food=energy. If you eat more energy that your body uses, then where does that energy go to? FAT that's right the F word. Our bodys have this wonderful ability to store extra energy, for use later. Unfortunatly, if a person takes in more energy that they use, over a long period of time they will get obeise.
Now, the next important fact, some foods contain more energy than others (some even use up more energy to digest than they give you) Fat and carbohydrates (starch, sugar) contain the most energy, protien contains the lowest energy. Food high in fiber inhibits absorption of energy. So, if you eat white bread (or white rice) etc, the energy goes right into your body (it is absorbed through the stomach and intestines more easily). But, if you eat whole grain foods, the fiber will keep some of the energy from entering your body, you will get a fuller stomach while intaking less energy (because fiber takes up space that could be used for carbs and fat) and there will be a slower, smaller spike in your blood sugar level (which is the main symptom of (type II)diabeties)
So, what do you eat? lots of lean meat (baked or grilled fish, chicken [no skin on chicken, no fried chicken, just baked or grilled]), lots of vegetables, and only whole grains. If you eat this stuff, you will feel full, and you will loose weight.
I have major disagreement with the way most MD's prescribe diets to people with (type 1) diabeties. Doctors often perscribe that you eat a steady intake of high sugar food all day, if you have diabetes. Sugar and carbohydrates are absorbed very quickly by your body. It is the fast spike in blood sugar that is the main problem, because after the spike (even in normal people) there will be a crash in your blood sugar level. This crash is VERY dangerouse to people with type 1 diabeties. This crash also makes you hungry again (which makes you want to eat again soon after eating that high sugar food) It is like a visiouse cycle. People with type 1 diabetes should also eat fat too (along with lots of vegetables, and protien and high fiber food, whole grain, etc) Because these food are digested slowly, and this keeps your body from having sharp spikes and crashes in the blood sugar level.
MD's sometimes treat the just the symptoms, and not the disease, because that is the way they are trained. And for some doctors it is also a way to keep you coming back for more medicine. (more money for them) [my dad worked with a surgeon who's favorite saying is "a chance to cut is a chance to cure, my pocket book"] Certainly most doctors are honest and caring, and if they are not giving you the proper (or the best) care for your particular illness, it is likely due to a lack in their training and education. There is so much new information that is learned every day, that it would be imposible for any one doctor to know everything about everything, or even most things about most things. That is why people go get "second opinions". Some diseases are difficult to diagnose, and some diseases have simila symptoms. anyways, back to the discution.
If you change your diet to the one I am recomending, your body will not have sharp spikes in it's blood sugar level. And protien is digested slower than carbohydrates (and fat is digested slowly too). So if you eat lots of protien and fiber (and eat some fat too, but only if you are not trying to loose weight), your body will not get sharp changes in the blood sugar level, and there will be no sudden crashes.
I remind you, the first diet I listed is for people with the type of diabetes that sets in with obesity, usually occuring late in life. It is the type of diabetes where your blood sugar goes to high right after you eat sugary food. If you are on medication, don't stop taking it suddenly without consulting with your pharmacist or doctor, as sometime drugs can be harmfull if you stop taking them suddenly.
there is another type of diabetes that people are basicaly born with, and it is mostly genetic. However, the same diet changes will also help this type (with the addition of small amounts of fat to the diet, as writen above).
Now, if you do have any type of diabetes, don't just all of a sudden stop taking your medicine, but instead, change your diet first, and you will eventualy notice that your blood sugar doesn't spike as high (and doesn't crash as low), and eventually, you may even be able to eat sugary food again (but don't do it often) and your blood sugar will not spike. It may take 4 months to see changes in your blood sugar level spikes, but the fat will start to disapear from your body soon.
There is also a very long list of diseases that the low fat version of this diet with cure and prevent.
If anybody has a problem with something in this post, or more information to suplement (or disprove) anything I said here, please let me know.
[ 18. January 2003, 14:08: Message edited by: santanatwo ]
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Also, it is better to loose weight slowly, as it has a better chance of STAYING off that way.
Also, it is better to loose weight slowly, as it has a better chance of STAYING off that way.
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