Forums > Beginner Poi Moves > TTN family..???

Posted: 21st Jan 2003
The easiest way I have found,and I say found because I came across this move by mistake,is to do a regular TTN but to the side instead of in front of you.Then just move your hands to the other side of your body and do a reverse TTN.Doing the weave is just doing that continously.When you get good at that then you can start turning with it.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
Yup, that's how I started doing it as well. Once you can do a TTN on either side of you it's easier than it looks... when you move your hands across don't try anything fancy, as the poi are already moving in the right direction to go into the TTN on the other side.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
Think first that BF have 4 types,two forwards and backwards,then try to combine them all.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
Ok, I may as well ask this here. I was playing with this today but I read in another thread somewhere that you do the forward butterfly and turn 90 degrees and then move the butterfly over into a reverse on the the other side of your body.

Now this is pretty much the same as described above. Now I couldn't understand why people kept saying learn thread the needle before trying to do this and I think I figured out why today so my question is....

Is the reason why you have to hearn thread the needle something to do with the fact that you can do a normal forward butterfly 2 ways (left hand slightly higher and right hand slightly higher) and you have to swap between these to do the butterfly weave?

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
exactly.

to do a bf weave you need to swap which hand on top on each side before moving to the other side.

however, notice that there are *four* bf weaves since you can do them with the leading hand on top or the leading hand on the bottom, forwards bf on the right or forwards bf on the left.

each one is kind of like doing a reverse weave with one arm and a forwards weave with the other which means you can lead under or over, whichever you are more comfortable with.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
man I really wished I'd known that before. Thanks gotta get my ass home and give that a bit more time. I nearly never tried it again yesterday.

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
thank you!

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Posted: 21st Jan 2003
TTN thread started the other day please read.

comon guys post links.

i just read some answers on that thread, its worth reading.

as regards to TTN/ butterfly weaves, it is just as they sound.
first you learn the weave 2 beat then 3 beat [+] then reverse the butterfly and TTN then reverses, then you think about the butterfly/TTN weave.
simple.. look at the way you do the weave, now do it with the poi going in opposite directions. take a butterfly [not on wall plane] do it as you would do a weave, as you take it to the other side of you, it will then be reversed to what it was on the side you started on.
as you learn to switch sides more efficently you will understand them better and know what move you are doing. this section of the board is vast growing, aspecially in the simple moves.. more newbies coming in faster wanting better information of the simpler moves.

one think i have been working on this week is the 5 beat split time TTN weave, as i have been spinning over a year and a half and only just leaned this move, i would love to see others variations on this and to clarify its corectness, from my knoledge of moves and the way they are made up, this move is actually fuckin hard to do and it is not in any way simple. mr Kato has been doing some thing similar for quite some time and i noticed the other night that he has the same problem as me, its easier to pull one side than the other, if the pull on either side is not equal. then there is an imbalance of an extra beat by one poi, thus creating not a 5 beat split time TTN weave.
thanks to mr tempest for extra brain transplant not needed, for wanting to learn this move. but its kewl at least i know now what it is i need to work on.

anyway, i am away this week, i have access to HOP on a slow ass PC and my time for posting long descriptions is kinda limited for the time being, i hope this helps some people, but please bare with me untill i return to poi land.

Posted: 22nd Jan 2003

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Originally posted by PK [Dust-Punk]:
comon guys post links

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most of us do @ some time or another but i ain't a moderator and i don't always have time to do other people's searches for them.

*jumps back into bed and gets out on the right side this time*

you're right though - as the threads evolve from their original questions, it becomes really hard to remember where specific stuff is. there's two or three threads like this and when they all get over 20 posts or so i'll be buggered if i want to remember which one of the three has the triple stitch explanation in it...

thanks to malcolm (for putting in the new search) we don't have to remember where anything is any more

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Posted: 22nd Jan 2003

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Originally posted by coleman:
jumps back into bed and gets out on the right side this time*[/QB]

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haha sounds like me .

Posted: 23rd Jan 2003
5 beat split time TTN.... very complicated sounding. Is it based on a doubled TTN (4 beats)?

I've probably invented a whole new move from misinterpreting this description

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Posted: 24th Jan 2003
as with the 5 beat weave, you have 2 beats natural and 3 beats opposite. its a lot harder than a normal ttn weave because its split time and takes a lot of practice to get right and feel remotly comfortable with out taking a bashing from it right in the mush.
there is the variation from the double ttn to, so good point dio, tempest asures me theres a plit time version of the double, i cant see it cos you all ready push 2 beats from each poi working same time, will work on it as a group session next weekend at the uk gathering. theres gonna be a few masters t discuss things technically with, glass, me, tempest, minero, jez maybe coleman and the legend jo derry if we can prise him away from some young maiden.
i will get back to you on that move in a week or so, cos i am heading p to edinburgh for a few days with minero after the gathering.

Posted: 27th Jan 2003
PK, are you going to be spinning in Edinburgh?

Although i'm from South Africa, i'm living in Edinburgh at the moment. So if you gonna be spinning i'd like to have a look at some of these impossible-sounding moves you guys all talk about. Let me know. I know how little free time you can have when travelling though, so wont be offended if its not possible.

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Posted: 26th Jan 2006
here is an awsome link to 3bt buterfly weave

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Posted: 26th Jan 2006
yya i love TTN variations, so far i have found (apart from the obvious regular 2btTTN forewards and backwards) a 4bt split time (foreward and reverse), and a 4bt Butterfly time (forewards and reverse, and a TTN weave (F and R) and im working on a 4bt TTNweave

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