Forums > Beginner Poi Moves > Weird air wrap I fell upon

Posted: 20th Jun 2003
I think you describe BF Hyperloop type trick,
but there are many variants and Im not sure
which is it .
You can search for some good descriptions,better
than I could write.

R.

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Posted: 20th Jun 2003
richee - i think this is a normal airwrap that just doesn't unwrap.
like sometimes you do an airwrap and its too far down the string to just pop out again so just spins i that little circle and then dies?

what beefy is saying is that you can keep the momentum up by pulling outwards and shortening the strings while they are tangled.

nice one i8beefy2
i think you'll find that its almost impossible to determine when to bring them to the other side to untangle.
try it tangled buzzsaw style maybe (tangle with arms in airwrap positions and bring inside between the arms like a buzzsaw, pull the string s to speed up and remember to keep track of how many beats you've got or just in general on which poi needs to exit first to untangle).

i can't do this very well at all really - my strings come out uneven which unbalances the tangled buzzsaw and tends to kill it.

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Posted: 20th Jun 2003
https://palsson.net/spaceport/earth/poi/DanHyperloops1-DivX.avi

1:48 (one minute and 48 seconds)

if oyu wrap it 2/3 down the chain (close to the poi head, but not to close) they will come apart automatically after 4 beats (two outside two inside)

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Posted: 20th Jun 2003
i think I know what peaple are on about....

when you do this ariwrap thinggy, i think the planes have got to make a cross? I say this cos Im still trying f to figure what to do to get them every time, as they are still a bit random.

I think the x then bounces the spin inside where they unwrap.

It has always been my dreem to find a good way out of a ****ed-up airwrap.

T

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Posted: 20th Jun 2003
you are half right.

Yes, make an X at the point of impact.

a weave hyperloop goes from outside to inside and continues to outside to unwrap.

a butterfly wraps on the inside and goes out then in again to unwrap

both typs start on one side of th body and exit on the other.

the corkscrew is a little different though.

and there are other (wierder) hyperloops (airwraps) that do even stranger things...

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Posted: 22nd Jun 2003
Yeah, I figured it out to where I can get it most of the time now. Dantana is right, it IS about 2/3 of the way down the chain that I do this. The video is a good reference. Actually, I cleaned up this move by performing it just like the video clip, only I can only go in the other direction I think... I go from a reverse weave to a windmill, and then bring it in front and air-wrap it. It's a cleaner entry than the wrist wrap, though both look cool.

Now, I theorize that it should be possible to lock the poi into an air wrap as as coleman alluded to. I KNOW it is possible, because when I mess up on the left side with hyperloops (as I always do for some reason... is it because of the extra beat on the left side? Do I need to do something to compensate?) my poi do that, I find that spinning in a counter-clockwise direction (me, my body) while they are locked like this between my arms lengthens the amount of time they can stay locked. And just sometimes I get the right exit out of it, so I KNOW it's possible, just have to get my mind and muscles to lock the right timing in...

Dantana, have a question about 0:09 into that video... I can do the hyperloop on the right side, but in the vid it looks like... is that a hyperloop buzzsaw in the middle? What are the motions for that?

Posted: 23rd Jun 2003
0:09 yes, that is a hyperloop buzzsaw in the middle. he motions are...do a weave, then seperate your hands while still on the same side of the body and let the chains hit eachother about halfway down (it is easier to hit chains closer to the handles). the chains should hit in an X (as viewed from above). The poi heads and chains will be angled out away from your body when the chains hit. The chains hit in basicaly the same way as the first one we were talking aobut, except the plane is 90 degrees different, and you bring it inside to do a buzzsaw then continue to outside for it to unwrap. you can leave the buzzsaw going (if you are using ball chain or strings) for a long time befor exiting on the oposite side of the body. The buzzsaw does not add wraps to the chain, it is just a "holding pattern". Any beats on the inside do not add wraps to the chains, they must be even numbered though, in order to not tie a knot.


hope tha helped, if not, ask again...

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2003
you can do any number of beats on the outside, then bring them inside for any number of EVEN NUMBERED beats, then bring it back outside on the oposite side to unwrap in the same number of beats that you used on the outside originaly. The beats on the inside don't count. (with the weave versions)

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2003
The butterfly versions of hyperloops operate on the exact oposite principle. wrap on the inside, outside beats don't count but can be any number, unwrap on the inside on teh oposite side of the body.

There is another world of hyperloops, but unfortunatly Arashi can't post videos, and we all suck at interperting text based descriptions. I think he just likes to toy with us arashi arashi



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Posted: 23rd Jun 2003
Here is some evidence...

Originaly posted by Arashi

"anyway this will make sense for a little while til i can change things to confuse you again "

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2003
Haha thanks Dantana. I understood those descriptions, and it explains why I havn't been able to get BF air wraps yet, been trying to wrap on outside, not inside.

I have very little experience with buzzsaws because... well my poi are real long... but if I short chain it I can still do hyperloops, so I don't see why I can't still do air wraps too! I guess I'll have to work on all these buzzsaw varients (think I got the weave last night with my socks).

Off to work to practice with my sock poi. Thanks again!