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I've seen it mentioned a couple of times. Can anyone describe it for me?
Is it where you stand side on to a weave and have the poi circle in front, behind on one side, back in front, behind on your other side? Sort of swapping between forwards and reverswe weave as you go?
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I've seen it mentioned a couple of times. Can anyone describe it for me?
Is it where you stand side on to a weave and have the poi circle in front, behind on one side, back in front, behind on your other side? Sort of swapping between forwards and reverswe weave as you go?
J
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Its like a 4-beat Windmill, but under your arm around your back
Easy to learn, cause you can start with cheating (wrapping) it then move up to doing non-wrap variety.
I think turning WW can look wicked...
but I havent got it as smooth as Sage or Kato yet.
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Its like a 4-beat Windmill, but under your arm around your back
Easy to learn, cause you can start with cheating (wrapping) it then move up to doing non-wrap variety.
I think turning WW can look wicked...
but I havent got it as smooth as Sage or Kato yet.
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Why did i only just find this?!? and why did it suddenly make sence?
Why did i only just find this?!? and why did it suddenly make sence?
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To answerer your questions Dragon7,
Perhaps it’s because the wasit-wrap is the lower half of the full fountain, aka lower fountain
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To answerer your questions Dragon7,
Perhaps it’s because the wasit-wrap is the lower half of the full fountain, aka lower fountain
old skool rocks DJ
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BTW, for anyone still confused, the book Modern Club Swinging and Pole Spinning is online and has a chapter for waist wraps:
https://www.semlyen.net/cosmosjugglers/lib/contents.htm
I think there's also illustrations in the Poi Book:
https://www.poispinning.com/
Cheers,
Shawn
BTW, for anyone still confused, the book Modern Club Swinging and Pole Spinning is online and has a chapter for waist wraps:
https://www.semlyen.net/cosmosjugglers/lib/contents.htm
I think there's also illustrations in the Poi Book:
https://www.poispinning.com/
Cheers,
Shawn
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There are two movies post by Orbit and PK showing the BTB waistwrap, and I figured out how it works. But I am still confused about the BTB waistwrap butterfly.
To be more specific in BTB WW BF is there a BTB BF before going from left to right and vice versa.
thanks.
P.S: Any movie showing BTB WW BF (in loop prefered) is greatly appreciated.
There are two movies post by Orbit and PK showing the BTB waistwrap, and I figured out how it works. But I am still confused about the BTB waistwrap butterfly.
To be more specific in BTB WW BF is there a BTB BF before going from left to right and vice versa.
thanks.
P.S: Any movie showing BTB WW BF (in loop prefered) is greatly appreciated.
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aww man!! this post really confused me!! i went home last night and checked it out in that poi book by michal kahn and it made a lot of sense... she explains it using hip-mill (which i basically understand as a 2beat weave in the wall plane) circle in front, hip-mill on the other side and then a carry over the head.
so yeah... kinda like a (2beat??) fountain with a carry instead of another circle..
hm, think ive added unneccacsarily to this as everyone seems to have reached an agreement about what it is.
has anyone got any more ideas on how to b^stardise it??
aww man!! this post really confused me!! i went home last night and checked it out in that poi book by michal kahn and it made a lot of sense... she explains it using hip-mill (which i basically understand as a 2beat weave in the wall plane) circle in front, hip-mill on the other side and then a carry over the head.
so yeah... kinda like a (2beat??) fountain with a carry instead of another circle..
hm, think ive added unneccacsarily to this as everyone seems to have reached an agreement about what it is.
has anyone got any more ideas on how to b^stardise it??
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this is gold:
if you can do all these, you should be able to do any ww you like with turns at just about any point.
as for messing around with these, once you can spin circles solidly in the ww positions, you can really mess around with the bits you have learnt.
learn to fit shoulder circles in and play with double carries:
a double carry is basically a big circle going all the way round your body - with a poi in right hand from say behind right hip, the poi would travel past your feet towards your left hip [youturn180], from beside right hip, past face to behind left hip.
another double carry would be; left hand poi spinning behind right hip - poi comes from behind, past right foot, up past left hip, behind left hip (poi passing behind head) to left hand in btb ww position at right hip poi in front.
simultaneous carries rock, especially if you double or triple them up (tonnes more scope to this stuff when you start spinning round).
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meantime practice these 8 moves:
2 beat weave under your arm in the wall plane, both directions under either arm.
if coming from the front, then when on the left, when the left hand is BTB, the palm is facing up, (like fred flintstone) and same for right on the right. easy practice for front waste wrap, thats the first 4
the second 4 are....
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STRETCH ARMS AND SHOULDERS
when your learning this bit
Same 4 moves as above, poi in exaclty same places doing the same moves, but instead of reaching across the front to have right arm on the left, reach BTB
This is still in the wall plane, don't need to twist body, much more reachy than BTB Weave
if you can do all these, you should be able to do any ww you like with turns at just about any point.
as for messing around with these, once you can spin circles solidly in the ww positions, you can really mess around with the bits you have learnt.
learn to fit shoulder circles in and play with double carries:
a double carry is basically a big circle going all the way round your body - with a poi in right hand from say behind right hip, the poi would travel past your feet towards your left hip [youturn180], from beside right hip, past face to behind left hip.
another double carry would be; left hand poi spinning behind right hip - poi comes from behind, past right foot, up past left hip, behind left hip (poi passing behind head) to left hand in btb ww position at right hip poi in front.
simultaneous carries rock, especially if you double or triple them up (tonnes more scope to this stuff when you start spinning round).
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Just found this thread... Here are links to my video on the BTB WaistWrap:
Small (file size) version:
https://orbit.harm.org/Spinning/WaistWrap/WaistWrapDemoSM.wmv
Big version:
https://orbit.harm.org/Spinning/WaistWrap/WaistWrapDemoLG.wmv
Pay attention to the position of the feet... you can cheat a bit by moving your feet so that it's almost like a BTB weave turn. I tried to do a bunch of different variations in terms of positioning the feet (that is, which foot is in front).
Ooh. Now I'm realizing you can also look at the shoulders. When you're reaching across, dipping your shoulder down a bit helps your arm reach a bit farther.
Hope this helps!
Just found this thread... Here are links to my video on the BTB WaistWrap:
Small (file size) version:
https://orbit.harm.org/Spinning/WaistWrap/WaistWrapDemoSM.wmv
Big version:
https://orbit.harm.org/Spinning/WaistWrap/WaistWrapDemoLG.wmv
Pay attention to the position of the feet... you can cheat a bit by moving your feet so that it's almost like a BTB weave turn. I tried to do a bunch of different variations in terms of positioning the feet (that is, which foot is in front).
Ooh. Now I'm realizing you can also look at the shoulders. When you're reaching across, dipping your shoulder down a bit helps your arm reach a bit farther.
Hope this helps!
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yeah i've been doing what nic just described...
weaving from forward to reverse btb except in frontal plane.. so 3 beats in front on left (starting with RHP) then 3 BTB then 3 on right (starting with LHP).
is this a waist wrap too? i figured it was.. just a more complex version of the 2 beat variety. but now i wonder if its not.
so whats the deal, folks?
edit: wow just realised how old nic's post was, and that i was on the wrong page. sorry.
2nd edit: so these wasit wraps are just 2 beat btb weave transitions, then? of course, wrapping around to the front using the frontal plane.
so whats it called when its 3 beat? is that still a WW? or is it something... more?
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yeah i've been doing what nic just described...
weaving from forward to reverse btb except in frontal plane.. so 3 beats in front on left (starting with RHP) then 3 BTB then 3 on right (starting with LHP).
is this a waist wrap too? i figured it was.. just a more complex version of the 2 beat variety. but now i wonder if its not.
so whats the deal, folks?
edit: wow just realised how old nic's post was, and that i was on the wrong page. sorry.
2nd edit: so these wasit wraps are just 2 beat btb weave transitions, then? of course, wrapping around to the front using the frontal plane.
so whats it called when its 3 beat? is that still a WW? or is it something... more?
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depends how you want to define waistwraps really todd.
if ww means to you "any move that involves an arm btb with poi in front wallplane" then yes, your move is a 3bt ww
if your definition requires that there be a carry in the move somewhere, then no it wouldn't (ww's are all even beat moves in this case)
i learnt the fwd to rev btb 3bt weave in wallplane but it doesn't feel as nice to me without the carries which allow for some lovely entrances into pirouettes and allow a smoother mix of front and btb ww's.
i think senor dom does fwd to rev btb 5bt weave in wallplane.
its pretty
cole. x
depends how you want to define waistwraps really todd.
if ww means to you "any move that involves an arm btb with poi in front wallplane" then yes, your move is a 3bt ww
if your definition requires that there be a carry in the move somewhere, then no it wouldn't (ww's are all even beat moves in this case)
i learnt the fwd to rev btb 3bt weave in wallplane but it doesn't feel as nice to me without the carries which allow for some lovely entrances into pirouettes and allow a smoother mix of front and btb ww's.
i think senor dom does fwd to rev btb 5bt weave in wallplane.
its pretty
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Hi Orbit, thanks for taking the time to post your waist wrap video. Great moves by you and your friends. I really liked some of your variations
But, I'm going to weigh in to the ww debate.
I think you were correct in the title, when you stated that the video was “technically btb waist wrap”. Because the btb stuff is ww, even if the carry is rushed, But the in-front stuff is really a three-beat weave in wall plane.
For the in-front ww, try it with the right hand leading to the right. This means the right goes behind the right hip first, and the left follows.
cheers
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Hi Orbit, thanks for taking the time to post your waist wrap video. Great moves by you and your friends. I really liked some of your variations
But, I'm going to weigh in to the ww debate. I think you were correct in the title, when you stated that the video was “technically btb waist wrap”. Because the btb stuff is ww, even if the carry is rushed, But the in-front stuff is really a three-beat weave in wall plane.
For the in-front ww, try it with the right hand leading to the right. This means the right goes behind the right hip first, and the left follows.
cheers
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how there are sooooo many different ways to do it!
Even if someone says "technically thats NOT WW". Because iv been working on Giant or long arm ww. To call it WW is wrong but the movements are the same and there are no other words to explain what you are doing so you just have to use what words you can.
One way of explaining what im up to would be to say "try a ttn WW but use your arms like your punching, keeping the poi in btb plane and then shifting to the front wall plane, with however many "carries" in between before shifting to the other side of your body" So instead of the hands being at the hips you would streach them out like your pointing to your side, while the poi stay "IN" normall WW plane btb.
Looks sick on video and makes some crazy patterns.
I think the guys who named fountains and WW etc messed it up
when they :
A) didnt define it enough
B) didnt contemplate that people would variate it sooo much that it would need another word
Either way its interesting just thinking about all the different ways, specially with ttn. So many ideas...
I
how there are sooooo many different ways to do it!Even if someone says "technically thats NOT WW". Because iv been working on Giant or long arm ww. To call it WW is wrong but the movements are the same and there are no other words to explain what you are doing so you just have to use what words you can.
One way of explaining what im up to would be to say "try a ttn WW but use your arms like your punching, keeping the poi in btb plane and then shifting to the front wall plane, with however many "carries" in between before shifting to the other side of your body" So instead of the hands being at the hips you would streach them out like your pointing to your side, while the poi stay "IN" normall WW plane btb.
Looks sick on video and makes some crazy patterns.
I think the guys who named fountains and WW etc messed it up
when they :A) didnt define it enough
B) didnt contemplate that people would variate it sooo much that it would need another word
Either way its interesting just thinking about all the different ways, specially with ttn. So many ideas...
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Dr4g0n7, I think that you're dealing with a bunch of other wall plane variations which are not the specific waist wrap itself... Matt (poi poi poi) does a bunch of these in the Spherculism tutorial vids that aren't up right now, including one he calls the impossible weave (4bt ttn in front to 4bt ttn in back)
Dr4g0n7, I think that you're dealing with a bunch of other wall plane variations which are not the specific waist wrap itself... Matt (poi poi poi) does a bunch of these in the Spherculism tutorial vids that aren't up right now, including one he calls the impossible weave (4bt ttn in front to 4bt ttn in back)
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Some interesting points dragon7, I’ll have to try a ttn ww
I don’t know who named them fountains, but Schatz, published in 1908, didn’t call them waist wraps. He called them fountains, as in lower front and lower back, upper and full fountain. He didn't like the fancy names either. They all join up and are the start, not the end for lots of variations. The variations are up to individual, like the variations Orbit does for example.
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Some interesting points dragon7, I’ll have to try a ttn ww
I don’t know who named them fountains, but Schatz, published in 1908, didn’t call them waist wraps. He called them fountains, as in lower front and lower back, upper and full fountain. He didn't like the fancy names either. They all join up
and are the start, not the end for lots of variations. The variations are up to individual, like the variations Orbit does for example. cheers
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cole, thanks, bro.. that clears it up.. once again words fail to adequately describe the movements (which are worth a thousand pictures... )
orbit, wow! 4bt ttn btb!
yay!
cole, thanks, bro.. that clears it up.. once again words fail to adequately describe the movements (which are worth a thousand pictures...
)orbit, wow! 4bt ttn btb!
yay!
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well, now that I think about it, not so much btb, but rather to one side... or actually I think he turned... so that it was more like 4bt tnt to the left and then to the right. I suppose if it's behind your back, but all to one side, it would be more under-the-arm? Anyhow, not quite as techy as you're imagining but really smooth and beautiful.
well, now that I think about it, not so much btb, but rather to one side... or actually I think he turned... so that it was more like 4bt tnt to the left and then to the right. I suppose if it's behind your back, but all to one side, it would be more under-the-arm? Anyhow, not quite as techy as you're imagining but really smooth and beautiful.
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aaahhhh... riiiight.
i thought you meant that the RH was coming around from the R and the LH was coming around from the L, like a BTB BF or something..
but both on one side, i'm not going to gasp so much...
still.... going to have to figure out that 4beat TTN BTB, regardless...!!
aaahhhh... riiiight.
i thought you meant that the RH was coming around from the R and the LH was coming around from the L, like a BTB BF or something..
but both on one side, i'm not going to gasp so much...
still.... going to have to figure out that 4beat TTN BTB, regardless...!!
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Woot! I got the F WW down solid now. 123-carry, in both directions. Right, now to try the BTB one. Can anyone tell me how you get from one to another? Do you simply do the carry and turn 180 so your poi come down behind you?
Oh yeah, Poise (the old name for club spinning) and Poi... that's too much of a coincidence :P
Woot! I got the F WW down solid now. 123-carry, in both directions. Right, now to try the BTB one. Can anyone tell me how you get from one to another? Do you simply do the carry and turn 180 so your poi come down behind you?
Oh yeah, Poise (the old name for club spinning) and Poi... that's too much of a coincidence :P
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Right. I've been trying to figure out how to do a btb waistwrap, and I've got more bruises on my chest than I thought possible! I've hit myself more times doing this trick than with any other! BTB 3 beat, not a problem, front waist wrap, no problem, but as soon as I go from the carry to a arm over back front waist circle, my poi changes planes and swings into my chest! I've gone through chapter 17 (the club swingers one), and I can do it with clubs, but as soon as I pick up my poi, smack, straight into my chest. I'm using socks (as my flags are too heavy and hurt even more when I get it wrong) which does limit my reach slightly, but it's only on my right side, with my left hand coming across the back.
Can anyone help me?
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Right. I've been trying to figure out how to do a btb waistwrap, and I've got more bruises on my chest than I thought possible! I've hit myself more times doing this trick than with any other! BTB 3 beat, not a problem, front waist wrap, no problem, but as soon as I go from the carry to a arm over back front waist circle, my poi changes planes and swings into my chest! I've gone through chapter 17 (the club swingers one), and I can do it with clubs, but as soon as I pick up my poi, smack, straight into my chest. I'm using socks (as my flags are too heavy and hurt even more when I get it wrong) which does limit my reach slightly, but it's only on my right side, with my left hand coming across the back.
Can anyone help me?
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yeah, twist your hips,loads more room then.
T
oh, and if your still having problems then mess your planes up a little to get it.
yeah, twist your hips,loads more room then.
T
oh, and if your still having problems then mess your planes up a little to get it.
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No! Don't twist your hips....... (imo) cos that means your doing it more 'btb' and less 'wall plane btb'
Imo- practice the move with just your left hand and as it comes across your back lift your hand upwards (with the flow of the carry/circle you're making) to give you a littlemore time to control it's plane.
If your hand is lower, the plane will bemore stressed.
If your hand moves gently up your back as you make the transition the planes will follow more easily and naturally.
No! Don't twist your hips....... (imo) cos that means your doing it more 'btb' and less 'wall plane btb'
Imo- practice the move with just your left hand and as it comes across your back lift your hand upwards (with the flow of the carry/circle you're making) to give you a littlemore time to control it's plane.
If your hand is lower, the plane will bemore stressed.
If your hand moves gently up your back as you make the transition the planes will follow more easily and naturally.
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I tend to stick my chest and my ass out as I do it...
That way there's a nice place for my arms to go across my back... I find twistnig a little helps, but then I'm not the best at BTB...
I tend to stick my chest and my ass out as I do it...
That way there's a nice place for my arms to go across my back... I find twistnig a little helps, but then I'm not the best at BTB...
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Make sure that on the hand that is reaching across BTB the back of your hand is facing towards your body.
Make sure that on the hand that is reaching across BTB the back of your hand is facing towards your body.
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I recon twist the hips to learn, and then with practice you will come straighter.
but thats just my way, i twisted at the beggining and dont now. so its perfectly possible to learn without.
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I recon twist the hips to learn, and then with practice you will come straighter.
but thats just my way, i twisted at the beggining and dont now. so its perfectly possible to learn without.
T
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i like the carry in the 2bt ww but feel that 3bt ww looks better (and have had this confirmed by others, too).. and i think it Feels better, too...
what ya'all think about them apples?
i like the carry in the 2bt ww but feel that 3bt ww looks better (and have had this confirmed by others, too).. and i think it Feels better, too...
what ya'all think about them apples?
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well for me, if it doesn't have a carry, i don't call it a waistwrap.
but i like oranges and apples so it makes little difference
and that's some good advice there fairy
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well for me, if it doesn't have a carry, i don't call it a waistwrap.
but i like oranges and apples so it makes little difference
and that's some good advice there fairy
cole. x
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Location: Southampton Uni
632 posts
Location: Southampton Uni
Posted:
I think my problem is my carry over my back from left to right, as that would explain why my poi are changing planes. However, has anyone got any tips on how to increase my reach? If I use my flags, it means my fingertips can reach round and control the spin so it doesn't hit me, but with socks, I don't have the reach.
Right, I'll give it a try this evening, and see if I can pull it off. Unfortunaetly, after that, I have no idea what I'm going to learn next >,<
I think my problem is my carry over my back from left to right, as that would explain why my poi are changing planes. However, has anyone got any tips on how to increase my reach? If I use my flags, it means my fingertips can reach round and control the spin so it doesn't hit me, but with socks, I don't have the reach.
Right, I'll give it a try this evening, and see if I can pull it off. Unfortunaetly, after that, I have no idea what I'm going to learn next >,<
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Forget puppy power, Scrappy's just gay
632 posts
Location: Southampton Uni
632 posts
Location: Southampton Uni
Posted:
WHooooo! I finally cracked it! It was the carry over my back. I was dragging my poi at an angle across my back and then didn't have the space to change the planes when I had my arm across my back.
Right, now I've cracked the btb ww, how do I go from if to btb, and how many beats has the full waist wrap got? I can do the if ww in both directions, but the btb in only one (at the moment),
Is it one if, then at the carry throw my hand behind to do one btb, before carrying back to the start again?
WHooooo! I finally cracked it! It was the carry over my back. I was dragging my poi at an angle across my back and then didn't have the space to change the planes when I had my arm across my back.
Right, now I've cracked the btb ww, how do I go from if to btb, and how many beats has the full waist wrap got? I can do the if ww in both directions, but the btb in only one (at the moment),
Is it one if, then at the carry throw my hand behind to do one btb, before carrying back to the start again?
Spin, bounce, be one with the world, because it is yours to enjoy...
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