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The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
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So I'm sure all of you at some point in your life have woken up and felt like you are still dreaming. Or perhapse you just had a feeling like nothing is real, everything looked fake, and you were sure this was not reality..........well what if that was true?

Let me explain.......

Reality is all about PERCEPTION. What you perceive to be real, is to you, your mind makes it real. Now some of you may have knoledge of the martial arts discipline were they feel no pain and do not burise. They go into state of mind so deep, that they, for this purpose, are in a different reality. That alone proves that reality is what you perceive.

Now for centuries certin natvie cultures have used psyco active plants, and deep meditation to experiance alternate realities. So what makes this one so real? Is it that we have all been pre-programed to believe what we see is all there is? And if so why?

Now I personaly have experianced things in life that make me think that there is more out there (as I'm sure some of you have as well.) To me this life has always felt like a lie, or that I am not being told something......

So my question, do you think there are other realities out there? And if so what brought you to this conclusion? Did you experiance something, or is it jsut a feeling?

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
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AnonymousPLATINUM Member


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This is the point where a Zen monk would slap you silly!

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
for what?

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


AnonymousPLATINUM Member


Posted:
To bring you back to "Reality". The here and now!

Or just for pleasure!

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
but its all perception, there and the now, my reality is dif from yours, as is yours from mine......not in the sense that laws of physics would be broken (not yet any way wink ) but wht i preceive and what you perceive are dif

and i realy doubt a zen monk would slap somee one for pleasure meditate

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


AnonymousPLATINUM Member


Posted:
You're right that our subjective perceptions are different! But the laws of physics remain the same for everyone.



And you're sure that no one would get pleasure at being slapped by a Zen Monk?

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
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Location: state of confusion


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i agree the laws of physics remain, for now but, if a person can be trained to with stand any physical assult threw mental conditioning, then why can we learn how to change realiy hrew the same messures? not feeling pain is changing reality.......lets face it if you or i got hit in censored with a 2 inch thick metal pipe, we would fall to the ground, and be in saerious amounts of pain, thats the reality of it, but threw training we could learn how not to feel it........changing reality, if we cn chage something that small (on a universal level) why could we not be trained to change more?

think what we could do if we used even 50% of our brains, or 80%.......what could we accomplish? what in reality could be changed? and also, is this reality only because we have been raised to except it a s such?


some one might get plessure out of being slaped, but id ont think the monk would be the one..........

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


AnonymousPLATINUM Member


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You might want to look up the Boxer Rebellion.... plenty of martial artists believed they could shape reality then too. Bullets proved stonger than kung fu!

The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


Posted:
bro you are reading a little to much in to the martial arts part.

also remember alot of native tribes of the world experiance dif realities while in atrance, they come back with a deep understanding or as a completly dif person.....

i may have to re-word this

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


nearly_all_goneSILVER Member
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom


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Have your read much Descartes, Kant etc? Cartesian skepticism. That's what you've got.

I believe there are realities beyond out experience but that we will never have any access to them, so it's a little bit impossible to think about them. By their very nature we cannot have any real thought about a reality which we can't experience.

So nuts to you, Kant. smile

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau


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Location: San Francisco, USA


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"I know...exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there...like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.



Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison...for your mind..."





I don't think that movie would have been half so popular if that didn't hit a serious nerve.....

"Ours is not to question The Head; it is enough to revel in the ubiquitous inanity of The Head, the unwanted proximity of The Head, the unrelenting HellPresence of The Head, indeed the very UNYIELDING IRRELEVANCE of The Head!" --Revelation X


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


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no i havent read anything by any of them.......and why is it impossible to think about them? helli have you thinking about them now, in a round about way..........and why cant we experiance them?

see i believe we can, and have at some point.......dreams, vissions, these, to me, are experiances in other realities......vauge and brief as they are

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


vanizeSILVER Member
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3,899 posts
Location: Austin, Texas, USA


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ok, what the heck - there hasn't been a decent metaphysical dissucsion here in months and suddenly we have a dozen in a few days?!?

I blame fried fish!

"you want to know about reality? I AM reality!"
(butthole surfers quote - wow I actually got to use the original version of that for once...!)

I agree with FF though - perception is what makes reality. because, when it comes down to it, we are all just made of atoms, and atoms are all just made of electrons and protons and neutrons, and protons and neutrons are just made of quarks, and quarks and electrons are really just standing energy waves.

what I want to know is how the heck does a load of standing energy waves manage to form consciousness, even if they are so oddly assembled as to give the appearance of a person? what is with that anyway?

Or maybe a better question is, how would it not?

and regardless, how come, given this conciousness, we perceive so ineptly?

-v-

Wiederstand ist Zwecklos!


nearly_all_goneSILVER Member
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom


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Because what we're thinking about when we're thinking about realities beyond our experience isn't actually anything beyond our experience. We are experiencing things we can think about, because thought is a kind of experience. As are dreams, visions, etc etc. They are within our experience of reality if we can experience them.



If you're talking about perception, then the fundamental structures behind perception etc are experiencable, even if we can't understand them in the same terms we experience them (see Husserl).



Beyond the experiential, ie anything we can ever have experience of (even in thought).. I believe that is what lies outside, that is the true alternative reality.



On dreams, I think that dreams are just as real as our communal experience of reality, perhaps moreso. They are certainly more concerned with the concept of reality than our everyday, mundane experience.

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


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Written by: vanize


I blame fried fish!





eek why me??!?!?

its just a thought......Gnarly :: eh close to that, but more than just what we are experiancing and what is "real"

my reality and your reality are diff

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


Burning Braineye shifter
321 posts
Location: between my headphones


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i have to get ready for this global village crap but ill respond afterwards. but to give the basics...theres a inner and outer reality based on a single perciever.

If I could be granted one wish I would ask for all the questions of the universe.


Burning Braineye shifter
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Location: between my headphones


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ok i think that reality is subjective. because the only thing you can prove to me real are ideas this is exactly what the world is made of. if you can convince yourself that you wont be hurt by a matterial object then it wont hurt you. if you always tell yourself that you are useless then your mind will only supply your reality with scenarios that make you useless.

If I could be granted one wish I would ask for all the questions of the universe.


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
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Location: state of confusion


Posted:
Post deleted by Fryed Fish

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


The Real Fryed FishGod's illgitament son
1,489 posts
Location: state of confusion


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come on brain, i know you, and i know you think deeper than that little half censored answer you just gave wink

so what if there is more? how can we achive it, this alt reality?

You can't avoid pain by fencing yourself from it.
Some times you need the help of others more than anything else
But you have to let them close enough to help......
People want to be needed, I found that out too


nearly_all_goneSILVER Member
Pooh-Bah
1,626 posts
Location: Southampton, United Kingdom


Posted:
Kant on perception

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau


Burning Braineye shifter
321 posts
Location: between my headphones


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there are more. you percieve i percieve. if everything with perception creates their own reality then the possibilities (just like the number or percievers) is limitless. you can have a thing that thinks fluid air is more like a solid. but i think the reason why you think its a half ass answer is because another ones reality doesnt mean anything to me. their actions in their reality do because then i percieve them as a relation to me and in turn create my reality.

what does this mean? you cant understand other people you can only understand yourself.

what did your sig say a little while ago?
you are not who i think you are.
you are not who you think you are.
you are who you think i think you are.
???

If I could be granted one wish I would ask for all the questions of the universe.


HavokistBRONZE Member

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Location: Manchester, United Kingdom


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i've a few things to say:

before the first and last time i took hallucinogens (not sure if thats spelt right) i saw reality as everything that was real to me and sometimes to others, but after that, i began to see the world in a different light. after having a conversation with a ceiling fan while sat on the ceiling, i started to think that if in a reality that was possible, maybe a different dimension, where the laws of physics were made to be bent or broken. the whole experience really opened my mind.

my second thought is that i saw a documentary on a science channel ,or something like that, about a man who managed to unlock (used for lack of better word) the ability to use more of his brain than the average person. the average person is said to use roughly 30% of his brain, and he some how managed to gain the ability to use roughly 50%. he gained the ability to use energy along the lines of static to move objects towards or further away from himself. it was shown by the man sat in an empty room, with just a ball in the middle, alone, and had camera's in each of the corners, to show that it there was no strings or things like that used, and he managed to get the ball to move towards him, and away from him, yet he barely moved they did brainwave scans on him, and saw almost double the activity and some very irregular patterns. the only problem was that about 3 months after he "unlocked" more of his brain, his health started to deterierate, and he eventually died from what the scientists believe was his body not being sufficient enough to withstand the new abilities he had gained, as how ever many years of evolution has designed the human body to be able to survive with only using 30% or so of our brains.

my third thought is that where-ever there are laws and regulations, there are people that break them, so if the laws of physics were un-breakable, then why are they laws? although it may need the law-breaker to be in a different state of mind from which humans experience through life.

***DISCLAIMER: this is not intended as an attempt to make anyone ingest anything that may induce hallucinations***

We are the music makers, We are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams;
We are the movers and shakers of the world for ever, it seems.


onewheeldaveGOLD Member
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Posted:
Written by: Havokist





my second thought is that i saw a documentary on a science channel ,or something like that, about a man who managed to unlock (used for lack of better word) the ability to use more of his brain than the average person......................

............. he gained the ability to use energy along the lines of static to move objects towards or further away from himself........

.......... they did brainwave scans on him, and saw almost double the activity and some very irregular patterns. the only problem was that about 3 months after he "unlocked" more of his brain, his health started to deterierate, and he eventually died




It would be interesting to measure the brainwave activity of the viewers of this 'science channel' and see what percentage of their brains potential is in use smile

"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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nearly_all_goneSILVER Member
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Location: Southampton, United Kingdom


Posted:
ubblol how mean

What a wonderful miracle if only we could look through each other's eyes for an instant.
Thoreau


AnonymousPLATINUM Member


Posted:
ubbloco ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol ubblol Nice one Dave!

StoutBRONZE Member
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Location: Canada


Posted:
It would be interesting to come back in a few thousand years to see if the scientists have managed to answer any of these questions, like,,,,, Is our physical universe ( including us) as we experience it , really just the interaction of energy waves? who knows??

A few hundred years ago we knew nothing about atoms, we just didn't have the knowledge to ask questions like that. Maybe someday we will.

I heard we only use 10% of our brain, but I've never heard that from a neurologist.

mycoBRONZE Member
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Location: melbourne, victoria, australia


Posted:
i've thought a bit about the nature of reality, and i feel that memory and sensation are the only things that assure us that this reality exists.

i, right now, believe that i am sitting in front of a computer in my study. The only things that i am basing this on is the fact that i can see the computer and study, feel the keys, hear the clicking. i remember that i walked in here, all the things that lead up to me sitting here i can remember. the reason that i believe that this situation if sense is real is that it appears congruent.

memory and sensation are both phenomenons occuring within the brain. They depend on outside stimuli, but are essentially electical impulses in our brain, which can be artificially stimulated.

perhaps my surroundings don't exist, it just feels/looks/sounds/smells/tastes like it does because of that my senses tell me. perhaps my body doesn't exist, it only feels and looks like it does. we have no PROOF of our existance. we just believe we do.

all of this is inconsequential though.

MiGGOLD Member
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Location: Bogged at CG, Australia


Posted:
that whole 'only use 10% of the brain, is, afaik, incorrect. sort of.

most of the time, we are only using 10% of our brain. im sitting here posting, we'll say im using 10%. But when i go outside and spin, and im still using 10%, a significant portion of that is going to be different.

To explain that a little clearer, lets say the brain is made of 100 blocks. while im sitting here typing, i might be using blocks 1-10 (10%). while i'm eating dinner, i might use blocks 1-3, 6-10, 11 and 12 (10 blocks, 10%), because i'm performing different actions, remembering different things, comparing different senses. Its still only using 10% at any one time, but, overall, 15-20% has been used.

So, as far as im concerned, the 'humans only ever use 10% of their brains' is [censored]. if we only needed 10%, then we'd have evolved to a smaller brain, requiring less bodily energy to use and maintain, and thus creating a more efficient body.

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Burning Braineye shifter
321 posts
Location: between my headphones


Posted:
Written by: stout

Is our physical universe ( including us) as we experience it , really just the interaction of energy waves? who knows??




yes. when you touch something you actually dont touch it. the electrons just get really really close as they push against eachother.

If I could be granted one wish I would ask for all the questions of the universe.


StoutBRONZE Member
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Location: Canada


Posted:
So true MiG, it doesn't make any sense to evolve an organ that we only need 10% of.
But those people trying to sell you such " magical, mind over matter" experiences, such as firewalking will insist otherwise. I remember reading ,,,somewhere that the 10% was a common myth, only I can't remember where I read it, hence my vague statement above. This morning I had some time to do a little research, all I did was type " percentage of brain used" into google, and I've been reading for over an hour.

https://www.theness.com/articles/brain-nejs0201.html
looks like a pretty reliable source of info.

MikeGinnyGOLD Member
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But, Fish, if I give you a kick in the pants that you didn't perceive until the contact, would you still feel it?

Let's try, shall we? ubbangel wink

-Mike

Certified Mad Doctor and HoP High Priest of Nutella



A buckuht n a hooze! -Valura


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