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newbie
10 posts
Location: USA
newbie
10 posts
Location: USA
Posted:
So far, I've latched onto just about every poi move pretty easily. But I still can't do thread the needle. The art of poi DVD doesn't explain it very well and all the previous posts about TTN are full of crap. Here's what happens when I try to TTN:
1. I start the butterfly.
2. As the poi in my right hand is descending from the top of it's swing (on it's way down), I push out my right hand (the one on top)
3. and continue in this manner because it seems the only right way
4. if my timing doesn't get screwed up and the poi wrap around my wrists, then my poi stop swinging and they flop around and I'm just pumping my arms in and out with non-moving poi.
any criticism please? And don't give me links to other threads, I've read them.
And, I really want to do this move so don't tell me it's stupid either. When done properly (i.e. when sage does it) it looks very cool.
So far, I've latched onto just about every poi move pretty easily. But I still can't do thread the needle. The art of poi DVD doesn't explain it very well and all the previous posts about TTN are full of crap. Here's what happens when I try to TTN:
1. I start the butterfly.
2. As the poi in my right hand is descending from the top of it's swing (on it's way down), I push out my right hand (the one on top)
3. and continue in this manner because it seems the only right way
4. if my timing doesn't get screwed up and the poi wrap around my wrists, then my poi stop swinging and they flop around and I'm just pumping my arms in and out with non-moving poi.
any criticism please? And don't give me links to other threads, I've read them.
And, I really want to do this move so don't tell me it's stupid either. When done properly (i.e. when sage does it) it looks very cool.
GOLD Member
Walking on whims...
687 posts
Location: Eastbourne, UK
Walking on whims...
687 posts
Location: Eastbourne, UK
Posted:
Well, took me a while to learn the TTN - simply because it was so optically confusing!!
I start the butterfly.
Then when the poi are at the top of their orbit (12 O'clock) I move my left hand on top.
When moving it on top I pull it backwards (into my chest) and then up and on top of the other.
Hope that helped, I'm a bit poor at explaining.
Well, took me a while to learn the TTN - simply because it was so optically confusing!!
I start the butterfly.
Then when the poi are at the top of their orbit (12 O'clock) I move my left hand on top.
When moving it on top I pull it backwards (into my chest) and then up and on top of the other.
Hope that helped, I'm a bit poor at explaining.
Skatto
"Fly like a mouse,
Run like a cushion,
Be the small bookcase."
For goodness sake, don't aggravate the otters!!!
SILVER Member
old hand
768 posts
Location: San Francisco, California, USA
old hand
768 posts
Location: San Francisco, California, USA
Posted:
From your description, it doesn't sound like you're switching which hand is on top. That's the key to this move; it's the whole point.
Sounds like you're starting it correctly up to number 2, but the next step should be when your left poi approaches the top of its swing, bring your left hand on top of your right and push out that hand, then your right again, etc., etc.
Then learn it in reverse.
From your description, it doesn't sound like you're switching which hand is on top. That's the key to this move; it's the whole point.
Sounds like you're starting it correctly up to number 2, but the next step should be when your left poi approaches the top of its swing, bring your left hand on top of your right and push out that hand, then your right again, etc., etc.
Then learn it in reverse.
taken out of context i must seem so strange
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BRONZE Member
sanguine
382 posts
Location: sur, USA
sanguine
382 posts
Location: sur, USA
Posted:
What I did to learn TTN was to just wrap my right poi up and work with only the left poi.
As I begin the forward spin with the one poi, and it is moving upwards, I would aim at positioning my left hand so that it would be centered above my right forearm about halfway between my right wrist and elbow.
As the poi starts swinging down again from the 12 o'clock position, I push my left hand out and let the poi swing one more revolution back to 12.
As it comes down this time, I have to draw my left hand back again so that the following spin again has my left hand centered halfway between the wrist and elbow of my right arm.
I use my left hand because its easier, but it doesnt matter which one you start with because essentially both are mimicing the same manuever.
Hopefully what you will find is that after you have extended your left hand all the way, your right hand will be centered between the wrist and elbow of your LEFT arm.
Soo...keep doing the one-poi version and pay attention to alternating the placement of your hands over the opposite arm.
As long as you are doing that, the poi's own inertia should basically take care of all the hard spinning part.
*looks up*
geez, I hope that doesnt confuse anyone.
*nervously runs to hide*
What I did to learn TTN was to just wrap my right poi up and work with only the left poi.
As I begin the forward spin with the one poi, and it is moving upwards, I would aim at positioning my left hand so that it would be centered above my right forearm about halfway between my right wrist and elbow.
As the poi starts swinging down again from the 12 o'clock position, I push my left hand out and let the poi swing one more revolution back to 12.
As it comes down this time, I have to draw my left hand back again so that the following spin again has my left hand centered halfway between the wrist and elbow of my right arm.
I use my left hand because its easier, but it doesnt matter which one you start with because essentially both are mimicing the same manuever.
Hopefully what you will find is that after you have extended your left hand all the way, your right hand will be centered between the wrist and elbow of your LEFT arm.
Soo...keep doing the one-poi version and pay attention to alternating the placement of your hands over the opposite arm.
As long as you are doing that, the poi's own inertia should basically take care of all the hard spinning part.
*looks up*
geez, I hope that doesnt confuse anyone.
*nervously runs to hide*
"to a man whose only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail." Abraham Maslow
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
ok serious squid stop with all this advice
now I have to figure out the foward btb and the reverse ttn because your advice makes so much sense, and I don't have an excuse not to figure it out
the one poi advice makes a lot of sense
I would add the slower the better, it helps you see what works and what doesn't
I learned with tails (good for eyeing planes, and the tails are so unforgiving) but many prefer socks. Though I don't know that it matters with the ttn
ok serious squid stop with all this advice
now I have to figure out the foward btb and the reverse ttn because your advice makes so much sense, and I don't have an excuse not to figure it out
the one poi advice makes a lot of sense
I would add the slower the better, it helps you see what works and what doesn't
I learned with tails (good for eyeing planes, and the tails are so unforgiving) but many prefer socks. Though I don't know that it matters with the ttn
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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Walking on whims...
687 posts
Location: Eastbourne, UK
Walking on whims...
687 posts
Location: Eastbourne, UK
Posted:
Give me tails and I'll start crying.
Give me tails and I'll start crying.
Skatto
"Fly like a mouse,
Run like a cushion,
Be the small bookcase."
For goodness sake, don't aggravate the otters!!!
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veteran
1,228 posts
Location: on the wrong planet, United Kingdom
veteran
1,228 posts
Location: on the wrong planet, United Kingdom
Posted:
Bah! Tails!
The only tails you should have are flames, or after images from Luxon LEDs searing your retinas!
Bah! Tails!
The only tails you should have are flames, or after images from Luxon LEDs searing your retinas!
You aren't thinking or really existing unless you're willing to risk even your own sanity in the judgment of your existence.
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HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
1,965 posts
Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand
HoP mage and keeper of the fireballs
1,965 posts
Location: Palmerston North, New Zealand
Posted:
My advise is to feel it rather than look at it.
With one poi at a time just spin it in front of you and punch over your spinning arm and behind the string. Keep doing it untill you can FEEL the position of the poi, then keep doing it with your eyes closed until you can do 20 spins without a mistake.
Next repeat with the other hand.
Next do the arm movements for a TTN, right fist over left wrist followed by the left fist over the right wrist and repeat, without any poi (it may help to add a slight bounce to each 'spin' just to simulate the pull of your poi as it spins)
Finally put all 3 steps together and hope for the best.
Hint 1 - Ignor what you can see in front of you because it can be confusing and try to spin by feel.
Hint 2 - Slow Down!!!!
Hope this helps
My advise is to feel it rather than look at it.
With one poi at a time just spin it in front of you and punch over your spinning arm and behind the string. Keep doing it untill you can FEEL the position of the poi, then keep doing it with your eyes closed until you can do 20 spins without a mistake.
Next repeat with the other hand.
Next do the arm movements for a TTN, right fist over left wrist followed by the left fist over the right wrist and repeat, without any poi (it may help to add a slight bounce to each 'spin' just to simulate the pull of your poi as it spins)
Finally put all 3 steps together and hope for the best.
Hint 1 - Ignor what you can see in front of you because it can be confusing and try to spin by feel.
Hint 2 - Slow Down!!!!
Hope this helps
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,750 posts
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,750 posts
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Posted:
and do you know what its it your actually trying to achive? you are trying to put alternate poi into the front plane, pushing through the plane of the other poi.
make sure your doing this when the poi are pointing sideways, not up and down and it should fit. Drew once said t like aiming for a hole that dosnt exist untill you get there...
this thing of the poi losing momentum, that seems like fear to actaully swing them, you must positvly move the poi through to the front, and then the other.
It wont take too long to get, but then you will have split time to learn
T
and do you know what its it your actually trying to achive? you are trying to put alternate poi into the front plane, pushing through the plane of the other poi.
make sure your doing this when the poi are pointing sideways, not up and down and it should fit. Drew once said t like aiming for a hole that dosnt exist untill you get there...
this thing of the poi losing momentum, that seems like fear to actaully swing them, you must positvly move the poi through to the front, and then the other.
It wont take too long to get, but then you will have split time to learn
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
split time *shiver*
split time *shiver*
Faith
Nay, whatever comes one hour was sunlit and the most high gods may not make boast of any better thing than to have watched that hour as it passed
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old hand
717 posts
Location: Bristol, England
old hand
717 posts
Location: Bristol, England
Posted:
This is really handy
https://www.domorepoi.com/poi_fire_spinning_lesson_ttn_or_punch.php
This is really handy
https://www.domorepoi.com/poi_fire_spinning_lesson_ttn_or_punch.php
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,750 posts
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,750 posts
Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Posted:
yeah thats great, its backwards (outward swinging) bf.
T
yeah thats great, its backwards (outward swinging) bf.
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales
Pirate Pixie Crew Captain
8,428 posts
Location: Wales
Posted:
It clicked for me when... I think it was... Durbs told me to imagine I was trying to push my sleeves down whilst doing a butterfly move. I found that way simpler to understand than any other complicated explanation I was given.
It clicked for me when... I think it was... Durbs told me to imagine I was trying to push my sleeves down whilst doing a butterfly move. I found that way simpler to understand than any other complicated explanation I was given.
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enthusiast
248 posts
Location: Ireland
enthusiast
248 posts
Location: Ireland
Posted:
thats a really great way of looking at it
for some reason i watched video upon video of this move and couldnt do it, it was when someone did it right in front of me that it clicked
Written by: Skulduggery
It clicked for me when... I think it was... Durbs told me to imagine I was trying to push my sleeves down whilst doing a butterfly move. I found that way simpler to understand than any other complicated explanation I was given.
thats a really great way of looking at it
for some reason i watched video upon video of this move and couldnt do it, it was when someone did it right in front of me that it clicked
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sanguine
382 posts
Location: sur, USA
sanguine
382 posts
Location: sur, USA
Posted:
Thats very true. Each person responds differently to each kind of explanation. I had to have someone show me before I could pick up the crosser move.
Pulling down the sleeves didnt work for me re: TTn. I finally understood it when I read about the "punch" explanation. After that, it was pie.
...mmmmmm...pie. Key Lime Pie.:)
Thats very true. Each person responds differently to each kind of explanation. I had to have someone show me before I could pick up the crosser move.
Pulling down the sleeves didnt work for me re: TTn. I finally understood it when I read about the "punch" explanation. After that, it was pie.
...mmmmmm...pie. Key Lime Pie.
:) "to a man whose only tool is a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail." Abraham Maslow
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