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Posted:
ive had dodgy wrists and shoulders for a while now, could be tendonitis, was seeing an osteo for a while but he started sexually harassing me so i left.....
what i want to know is whether you think spinning is potentially good, ie strengthening, flexibility mobility etc or potentially damaging (was reading some old posts about people doing bad things to wrists cos of poi
).
please say good cos i love it heaps and dont want to give it up
if anyone can recommend stretches or warm ups that might be good id love to hear it!!
cheers zoe
ive had dodgy wrists and shoulders for a while now, could be tendonitis, was seeing an osteo for a while but he started sexually harassing me so i left.....
what i want to know is whether you think spinning is potentially good, ie strengthening, flexibility mobility etc or potentially damaging (was reading some old posts about people doing bad things to wrists cos of poi
).please say good cos i love it heaps and dont want to give it up
if anyone can recommend stretches or warm ups that might be good id love to hear it!!
cheers zoe
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Location: Bristol
Posted:
my mum has a chronic tendon thingy and couldn't walk for ages. If osteo didn't work you could try acupuncture
- did wonders for mummy.
my mum has a chronic tendon thingy and couldn't walk for ages. If osteo didn't work you could try acupuncture
- did wonders for mummy. I had a dream that my friend had a
strong-bad pop up book,
it was the book of my dreams.
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Posted:
Thats exactly why I started doing poi, I think it has helped to a certain extent, not dramatically, but it has allowed me greater movement and flexibility in my wrist!
Thats exactly why I started doing poi, I think it has helped to a certain extent, not dramatically, but it has allowed me greater movement and flexibility in my wrist!
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Posted:
I used to get a dodgy wrist when doing loads of juggling; it was very discouraging because I loved juggling and was concerned that I'd have to stop.
I'm now 37, and am aware of the little strains etc that accumalate with age. As someone who spins a lot and rides big wheel/off road unicycle, I'm very aware of the fragility of the human body (with the unicycling particularly knees).
I love the stuff I do and a badly strained knee could be the end of it.
So I'm very aware of the relevant joints, when you're young you just move without thinking that you're inflicting minor damage on yourself.
For example, going to school I'm carry a bag on one shoulder and think nothing of it; now, if I have a bag on one shoulder I immediately feel very uncomfortable and can feel the way your body has to twist to accomadate it.
It takes practice and focus to attain a good level of awareness of your body, but it's well worth it.
When you spin, be aware of your wrists, and if certain moves are hurting them, then discover a way to do the move without strain.
When you sit be aware of where tension collects (in your neck, your face etc) and learn to disolve it.
When intent on something like playing a computer game, it can be a real insight to stop and check your posture, it's amazing to realise that for example, you're unconsciously thrusting your head forward and it's actually quite painful!
I used to get a dodgy wrist when doing loads of juggling; it was very discouraging because I loved juggling and was concerned that I'd have to stop.
I'm now 37, and am aware of the little strains etc that accumalate with age. As someone who spins a lot and rides big wheel/off road unicycle, I'm very aware of the fragility of the human body (with the unicycling particularly knees).
I love the stuff I do and a badly strained knee could be the end of it.
So I'm very aware of the relevant joints, when you're young you just move without thinking that you're inflicting minor damage on yourself.
For example, going to school I'm carry a bag on one shoulder and think nothing of it; now, if I have a bag on one shoulder I immediately feel very uncomfortable and can feel the way your body has to twist to accomadate it.
It takes practice and focus to attain a good level of awareness of your body, but it's well worth it.
When you spin, be aware of your wrists, and if certain moves are hurting them, then discover a way to do the move without strain.
When you sit be aware of where tension collects (in your neck, your face etc) and learn to disolve it.
When intent on something like playing a computer game, it can be a real insight to stop and check your posture, it's amazing to realise that for example, you're unconsciously thrusting your head forward and it's actually quite painful!
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Posted:
speaking strictly from a pessimist medical point of veiw, pain in joints generally occurs because there is a problem witht eh joint, we did case studies last week, (myself being one of them), about joint pain in teh shoulders, which is generally caused by tendonitis, rotator cuff generally, and how in many cases including my own how it is due to poor muscle build to support the joint correctly. The advice given was to minimalize the stress on teh joint unitl a- the pain subsides, thus inflamation has gone down, and b- do some work to build up the supporting muscles for the joint as dislocation is a very real problem
wrists, although not as easily dislocated, are prone to longer term injuries, and that meaning if u don't have them properlly fixed now they will hurt still later in life and at that stage they are harder to fix. My advice, slow down on the spinning for a while and see if the pain subsides to any degree....get them checked out and be very honest when u tell the doc able your activities and the stress they put on your joints, which is very high, and go by their advice
neway....u might like to talk to Mike i.e Lightening, he is prob the best person on such matters
cheers
speaking strictly from a pessimist medical point of veiw, pain in joints generally occurs because there is a problem witht eh joint, we did case studies last week, (myself being one of them), about joint pain in teh shoulders, which is generally caused by tendonitis, rotator cuff generally, and how in many cases including my own how it is due to poor muscle build to support the joint correctly. The advice given was to minimalize the stress on teh joint unitl a- the pain subsides, thus inflamation has gone down, and b- do some work to build up the supporting muscles for the joint as dislocation is a very real problem
wrists, although not as easily dislocated, are prone to longer term injuries, and that meaning if u don't have them properlly fixed now they will hurt still later in life and at that stage they are harder to fix. My advice, slow down on the spinning for a while and see if the pain subsides to any degree....get them checked out and be very honest when u tell the doc able your activities and the stress they put on your joints, which is very high, and go by their advice
neway....u might like to talk to Mike i.e Lightening, he is prob the best person on such matters
cheers
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Posted:
heyz zoebee...
speaking from an exercise specialist point of view i definately think it would be worthwhile seeking further professional advice on ur pain/injury...i agree totally with dj goose..pain happens for a reason...it is your bodie's way of telling you that something isn't quite working properly and therefore needs some attention....
also one of the posts earlier that mentioned posture made a good point too....i am a HUGE advocate of working on 'good' posture as it really can have a big influence on sooo many parts of your body....
so i know you probably don't want to hear that there may actually be something wrong..but i really would go and get further advice..and maybe even consider seeing some sort of exercise specialist (not that i'm biased or anythin
) if your shoulder tendinitis is related to imbalances in your one of your rotator cuff muscles ( there are 4) then they would be able to help you to correct these imbalances..
anyway...sorry enuff rambling from me...feel free to drop me a line if u wanna ask any other questions n stuff
heyz zoebee...
speaking from an exercise specialist point of view i definately think it would be worthwhile seeking further professional advice on ur pain/injury...i agree totally with dj goose..pain happens for a reason...it is your bodie's way of telling you that something isn't quite working properly and therefore needs some attention....
also one of the posts earlier that mentioned posture made a good point too....i am a HUGE advocate of working on 'good' posture as it really can have a big influence on sooo many parts of your body....
so i know you probably don't want to hear that there may actually be something wrong..but i really would go and get further advice..and maybe even consider seeing some sort of exercise specialist (not that i'm biased or anythin
) if your shoulder tendinitis is related to imbalances in your one of your rotator cuff muscles ( there are 4) then they would be able to help you to correct these imbalances..anyway...sorry enuff rambling from me...feel free to drop me a line if u wanna ask any other questions n stuff
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Location: Back home in Perth WA, Australia
Posted:
I've got a friend who (like me) suffers from Repetitive Strain Injury (RSI)from too much typing (damn computer age) and his doctor actually told him to take up, tho not specifically fire twirling, a like activity to help strengthen his wrists and get them to move in ways that they might not usually in every day activity, and to stretch out muscles and joints. Apparently staff is better for this than poi as there is more pronounced wrist movements.
But i guess when in doubt seek professional help. Good luck, I know how much a pain in the butt it can be
I've got a friend who (like me) suffers from Repetitive Strain Injury (RSI)from too much typing (damn computer age) and his doctor actually told him to take up, tho not specifically fire twirling, a like activity to help strengthen his wrists and get them to move in ways that they might not usually in every day activity, and to stretch out muscles and joints. Apparently staff is better for this than poi as there is more pronounced wrist movements.
But i guess when in doubt seek professional help. Good luck, I know how much a pain in the butt it can be
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Posted:
I had to see a physiotherapist after I broke my wrist snowboarding and I took a pair of poi along with me. Basically, she said that I should spin as much as possible, because it'd help loads with regaining the range of movement that I'd lost, but to stop if it hurt any more than a dull ache.
Bear in mind that what she told me could have been specific to my wrist though, I wouldn't want anyone blaming me for giving them wrong advice.
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what i want to know is whether you think spinning is potentially good, ie strengthening, flexibility mobility etc or potentially damaging (was reading some old posts about people doing bad things to wrists cos of poi
I had to see a physiotherapist after I broke my wrist snowboarding and I took a pair of poi along with me. Basically, she said that I should spin as much as possible, because it'd help loads with regaining the range of movement that I'd lost, but to stop if it hurt any more than a dull ache.
Bear in mind that what she told me could have been specific to my wrist though, I wouldn't want anyone blaming me for giving them wrong advice.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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Posted:
if it hurts, stop
if it feels nice, carry on
this advice is muulti-porpoise for all varieties of situation
the author accepts no responsibility for any chocolate or ice-cream related injuries incurred while blindly following said advice
if it hurts, stop
if it feels nice, carry on
this advice is muulti-porpoise for all varieties of situation
the author accepts no responsibility for any chocolate or ice-cream related injuries incurred while blindly following said advice
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
110% MONKEY EVERY TIME ALL THE TIME JUST CANT STOP THE MONKEY
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(more serious post)
Also wanted to say that pretty much nothing is as simple as "is this good for me?" or "is this bad for me?" especially with such a wide bracket of things as "playing with poi".
Even just talking about 3 beat reverse weave, for example, it's impossible to say whether it could possibly harm you or cause you health benefits without showing it to a doctor\chiropractor type person and getting him to make a judgement based on your physical state.
If i play with stretching double staff moves lots and lots, then my back aches, sometimes pretty badly, and for as long as three or four days on occasion.
i see that as a WARNING SIGN
so i stop doing double staff for a while, do poi stuff instead (leaving behind the back well out of it) and it's fine soon after
In general, i feel a lot healthier and way more bendy than when i started spinning
But i do know of particular cases where someone's had a problem which they've made much worse by spinning too much
So playing can be very good for you, especially if it keeps you active where you'd usually be vegetative.
But too much of anything is A Bad Thing.
i shall now crown myself
KING OF BLATANTLY OBVIOUS ADVICE!
where is my herald? *goes to find herald*
(more serious post)
Also wanted to say that pretty much nothing is as simple as "is this good for me?" or "is this bad for me?" especially with such a wide bracket of things as "playing with poi".
Even just talking about 3 beat reverse weave, for example, it's impossible to say whether it could possibly harm you or cause you health benefits without showing it to a doctor\chiropractor type person and getting him to make a judgement based on your physical state.
If i play with stretching double staff moves lots and lots, then my back aches, sometimes pretty badly, and for as long as three or four days on occasion.
i see that as a WARNING SIGN
so i stop doing double staff for a while, do poi stuff instead (leaving behind the back well out of it) and it's fine soon after
In general, i feel a lot healthier and way more bendy than when i started spinning
But i do know of particular cases where someone's had a problem which they've made much worse by spinning too much
So playing can be very good for you, especially if it keeps you active where you'd usually be vegetative.
But too much of anything is A Bad Thing.
i shall now crown myself
KING OF BLATANTLY OBVIOUS ADVICE! where is my herald? *goes to find herald*
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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Can I be your herald?
Have you considered stretching your back out after playing with double staffs? Or changing your posture while you do it might reduce the pain. (I automatically straighten up when doing poi/staff/meteors/CJ But then my back gets sore from holding correct posture, so I can't talk)
Or try doing abdominal exersizes. Your abs stablise your back and are very important to avoid back problemos when you are older... Core strength exersizes would also be good, but right now I can't think of any for the belly apart from sit up and especially the side sit-ups where you bring one knee in to your opposite elbow... (what is that called....?) ie: follow the above advice of a fellow hopper and work out the support muscles for your back in order to help it in the long run...
Can I be your herald?
Have you considered stretching your back out after playing with double staffs? Or changing your posture while you do it might reduce the pain. (I automatically straighten up when doing poi/staff/meteors/CJ But then my back gets sore from holding correct posture, so I can't talk)
Or try doing abdominal exersizes. Your abs stablise your back and are very important to avoid back problemos when you are older... Core strength exersizes would also be good, but right now I can't think of any for the belly apart from sit up and especially the side sit-ups where you bring one knee in to your opposite elbow... (what is that called....?) ie: follow the above advice of a fellow hopper and work out the support muscles for your back in order to help it in the long run...
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Posted:
sit-ups are just about the only exercise i do with any regularity.
i only get problems after doing really reaching stuff.
and probably not bothering to warm up + down doesn't help
But my shoulders haven't given me trouble since 2003, which is
sit-ups are just about the only exercise i do with any regularity.
i only get problems after doing really reaching stuff.
and probably not bothering to warm up + down doesn't help
But my shoulders haven't given me trouble since 2003, which is
"Switching between different kinds of chuu chuu sometimes gives this "urgh wtf?" effect because it's giving people the phi phenomenon."
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Posted:
I've never had much trouble with my wrists despite have Hyper-Mobile Joints (does this make me special?
)
They always click and grind (as do my shoulders, ankles, fingers...) - but then most things I do for fun involve my wrists (Stop giggling at the back!) Poi, CJ, drumming, computers, wan... j/k
I think that unless you're using particularly heavy poi or spinning particularly fast you should'nt be putting too much strain on your writsts anyway.
Incidentally - what ever happened to wrist-straps. Wasn't Adam Rice an advovate for these if you have heavy poi?
I've never had much trouble with my wrists despite have Hyper-Mobile Joints (does this make me special?
) They always click and grind (as do my shoulders, ankles, fingers...) - but then most things I do for fun involve my wrists (Stop giggling at the back!) Poi, CJ, drumming, computers, wan... j/k
I think that unless you're using particularly heavy poi or spinning particularly fast you should'nt be putting too much strain on your writsts anyway.
Incidentally - what ever happened to wrist-straps. Wasn't Adam Rice an advovate for these if you have heavy poi?
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thats pretty much what i wanted to hear, the weather makes it hard to spin every day anyway and if durbs can live with hyper mobiles so can i!! hell there has to be some advantages!
thanks heaps good to know that im potentially doing the right thing, its at least a good start
zoe
thats pretty much what i wanted to hear, the weather makes it hard to spin every day anyway and if durbs can live with hyper mobiles so can i!! hell there has to be some advantages!
thanks heaps good to know that im potentially doing the right thing, its at least a good start
zoe Pooh-Bah
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Location: Bristol
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Posted:
if you're interested in sorting your posture out, you should get some alexander technique lessons. When i started i had absolutly no idea how much i was f**king up my body. When i lay flat on the table my teacher could fit her whole arm underneith my back cos it was so curved!!!
also, you tense your neck up WAY more than you would think possible. specially when you stand up. Just try standing up now, with you hand on the back of your neck. If you're anything like everyone else your neck will immediately tense like you're trying to pull yourslef up with you head!
there is so much learned bad posture - if you watch a toddler walking around they may look awkward, but they have amazing posture - perfectly straight backs. Alexander technique really sorts it out for you - try it!!!
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if you're interested in sorting your posture out, you should get some alexander technique lessons. When i started i had absolutly no idea how much i was f**king up my body. When i lay flat on the table my teacher could fit her whole arm underneith my back cos it was so curved!!!
also, you tense your neck up WAY more than you would think possible. specially when you stand up. Just try standing up now, with you hand on the back of your neck. If you're anything like everyone else your neck will immediately tense like you're trying to pull yourslef up with you head!
there is so much learned bad posture - if you watch a toddler walking around they may look awkward, but they have amazing posture - perfectly straight backs. Alexander technique really sorts it out for you - try it!!!
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Posted:
Sorry, if this is reviving the dead...
How do I know if my poi are "heavy"? I use a couple of tennis balls on some rope. I never had an issue up till now, but this last week and a half I have been twirling these tennis poi every day for a couple of hours in the evening, as I learned the 5bt- forward and reverse weaves.
Right now its just a dull ache, but I wondered if my poi are too heavy, if its overuse, or simply the strain of learning the extra twists required for 5bt weaves?
Sorry, if this is reviving the dead...
How do I know if my poi are "heavy"? I use a couple of tennis balls on some rope. I never had an issue up till now, but this last week and a half I have been twirling these tennis poi every day for a couple of hours in the evening, as I learned the 5bt- forward and reverse weaves.
Right now its just a dull ache, but I wondered if my poi are too heavy, if its overuse, or simply the strain of learning the extra twists required for 5bt weaves?
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Posted:
they probably just aren't used the movement
stretch 'em, if you want take an anti inflammatory, and make sure you get enough vitB complex
they probably just aren't used the movement
stretch 'em, if you want take an anti inflammatory, and make sure you get enough vitB complex
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Posted:
Tennis balls on rope are way too light, so it's not the weight.
It'll probably be strain on learning the extra twists.
take it easy for a while, stretch, spin slower, etc.
Tennis balls on rope are way too light, so it's not the weight.
It'll probably be strain on learning the extra twists.
take it easy for a while, stretch, spin slower, etc.
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