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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
Posted:
Hello,
I´ve a little question for you...I don´t think that it is a very hard question, but I can´t find the answer
I want to buy Fire Poi in the future, so I´m reading the articles about Fire Safety and saw the movie..
There´s only one thing I do not understand: Why are all the loops from the Fire Poi from nylon and not from Leather??
I thought that Leather Loops were saver??
Thanks,
Frederik
Hello,
I´ve a little question for you...I don´t think that it is a very hard question, but I can´t find the answer
I want to buy Fire Poi in the future, so I´m reading the articles about Fire Safety and saw the movie..
There´s only one thing I do not understand: Why are all the loops from the Fire Poi from nylon and not from Leather??
I thought that Leather Loops were saver??
Thanks,
Frederik
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king of the hedgehogs
125 posts
Location: Madtown, USA
king of the hedgehogs
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Location: Madtown, USA
Posted:
If you use nylon loops for fire spinning, you run the risk of having them melt to your fingers if something goes wrong. Leather, canvas or some other fire resistent material (like kevlar, but I wouldn't want bare kevlar loops - they'd chew your fingers raw!) are the safest for fire play. I can't say as to why synthetic (meltable and flammable!) loops would be the de facto... I'd never use them. They could turn a minor burn into a crippling injury.
If you use nylon loops for fire spinning, you run the risk of having them melt to your fingers if something goes wrong. Leather, canvas or some other fire resistent material (like kevlar, but I wouldn't want bare kevlar loops - they'd chew your fingers raw!) are the safest for fire play. I can't say as to why synthetic (meltable and flammable!) loops would be the de facto... I'd never use them. They could turn a minor burn into a crippling injury.
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newbie
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
newbie
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
Posted:
indeed..if I buy Fire Poi i´ll also buy leather loops in the shop...but why aren´t they standard by Fire Poi?
indeed..if I buy Fire Poi i´ll also buy leather loops in the shop...but why aren´t they standard by Fire Poi?
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Posted:
generally, the loops and the fire don't come in contact much. and even when they do, they dont really melt a great deal if you keep the contact short. I do catches with my nylon loops, and they're still in perfect nick.
generally, the loops and the fire don't come in contact much. and even when they do, they dont really melt a great deal if you keep the contact short. I do catches with my nylon loops, and they're still in perfect nick.
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
Posted:
ok..what about the short contact, you´re right..
but when there will ever come a situation where everything goes wrong...there´s more danger with nylon then with leather loops...don´t you think so?
ok..what about the short contact, you´re right..
but when there will ever come a situation where everything goes wrong...there´s more danger with nylon then with leather loops...don´t you think so?
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Posted:
yes, there is. synthetic is almost always more dangerous than natural.
perhaps you could ask malcom about it? he'd know a whole load more than i do
yes, there is. synthetic is almost always more dangerous than natural.
perhaps you could ask malcom about it? he'd know a whole load more than i do
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newbie
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
Posted:
ok thanks!
ok thanks!
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Location: Aotearoa (NZ), New Zealand
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Location: Aotearoa (NZ), New Zealand
Posted:
Yea. I switched over from synth (hesian) to leather (suade). Leather is ALOT better, iv had alot of cuts from hesian and it takes ages to break in untill its soft. (It melts if it contacts the fire for longer than afew seconds) The down side of leather is when someone drops your handles into your fuel
When they dry out they shrivle up 
and go all funky 
#1 rule : never drop handles in fuel!!!
Yea. I switched over from synth (hesian) to leather (suade). Leather is ALOT better, iv had alot of cuts from hesian and it takes ages to break in untill its soft. (It melts if it contacts the fire for longer than afew seconds) The down side of leather is when someone drops your handles into your fuel
When they dry out they shrivle up and go all funky #1 rule : never drop handles in fuel!!!
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Location: Manchester, England (UK)
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Location: Manchester, England (UK)
Posted:
I think synthetic handles are used more commonly simply becasue they are usually a lot cheaper than leather ones. And because the risk is so small (although always there), it doesn't really matter too much.
I think synthetic handles are used more commonly simply becasue they are usually a lot cheaper than leather ones. And because the risk is so small (although always there), it doesn't really matter too much.
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Posted:
I tend to fit synthetic handles to fire poi sets that I manufacture for sale, and for personal use, generally because I find synthetic webbing much easier to work with than leather / swede. I tripple hand stitch fingerloops, and this would be very hard going with leather.
Would aggree though, leather is certainly a safer material, although you still get problems with fuel exposure, and cracking, bottom line is with everything fire, good inspection and maintainance.
mark
I tend to fit synthetic handles to fire poi sets that I manufacture for sale, and for personal use, generally because I find synthetic webbing much easier to work with than leather / swede. I tripple hand stitch fingerloops, and this would be very hard going with leather.
Would aggree though, leather is certainly a safer material, although you still get problems with fuel exposure, and cracking, bottom line is with everything fire, good inspection and maintainance.
mark
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
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Location: Austin, Texas, USA
Posted:
I have to disagree about the synthetic handles being cheaper than leather - I've made at least 5 sets of handles from 6 euros worth of scrap leather I bought earlier this year. The pack of grommets cost me another 3 euros, and the x-acto knife blades brought that up to maybe 10 euros total - 2 euros for each set of handles all told.
and there is no need to stitch leather at all unless you are making something really fancy with wrist braces inclusive (like adamrice does for example) or something like that. A single layer of leather that is thick enough is more than adequate.
I still use the very first set of leather handles I ever made more than 5 years ago after almost daily use, many accidental dunkings in fuel, getting soaked in rain, singed, etc. They are niegh on indestructable.
I find nylon handles to be very uncomfortable in comparison.
I have to disagree about the synthetic handles being cheaper than leather - I've made at least 5 sets of handles from 6 euros worth of scrap leather I bought earlier this year. The pack of grommets cost me another 3 euros, and the x-acto knife blades brought that up to maybe 10 euros total - 2 euros for each set of handles all told.
and there is no need to stitch leather at all unless you are making something really fancy with wrist braces inclusive (like adamrice does for example) or something like that. A single layer of leather that is thick enough is more than adequate.
I still use the very first set of leather handles I ever made more than 5 years ago after almost daily use, many accidental dunkings in fuel, getting soaked in rain, singed, etc. They are niegh on indestructable.
I find nylon handles to be very uncomfortable in comparison.
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
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Location: Amersfoort, Holland
Posted:
I´ve no experience with fire Poi and also not with Leather loops...but í haven´t any problems with my nylon loops now.
I will buy Leather loops by my Fire Poi for the safety i think..
thanks for all your opinions!
frederik
I´ve no experience with fire Poi and also not with Leather loops...but í haven´t any problems with my nylon loops now.
I will buy Leather loops by my Fire Poi for the safety i think..
thanks for all your opinions!
frederik
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