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Posted:
I deleted the original post- if you care about HoP, you'll find out what everyone's on about
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I deleted the original post- if you care about HoP, you'll find out what everyone's on about
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Please refer to [Old link] for what the topic is about.
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Posted:
It's the same with ANY community.
Basically, HoP is growing INCREDIBLY. I know less and less of the people on here. I don't like talking to people I don't know.
What can be done about it? Stop new people registering? Hell No! Certain forums for certain people is a good idea, I reckon. As long as the entry requirememnts aren;t soo strict... ie, this one, you need to be here for three years. That's not so discriminatory, IMO. if it was a forum only for people that had seen certain things, or been to certain places, that would be unfair.
Anyways. This is the internets. I've already thought about too many in depth things for a sunday morning.
Written by: bigginsWritten by: ME
Rather than complain, and attempt to impose my wants on other people when they really don't want them imposed, I kept quiet.
that, my friend, is sad indeed but like i say, its the way of forums.same s**t different day. but you get out what you put in i reckon.
It's the same with ANY community.
Basically, HoP is growing INCREDIBLY. I know less and less of the people on here. I don't like talking to people I don't know.
What can be done about it? Stop new people registering? Hell No! Certain forums for certain people is a good idea, I reckon. As long as the entry requirememnts aren;t soo strict... ie, this one, you need to be here for three years. That's not so discriminatory, IMO. if it was a forum only for people that had seen certain things, or been to certain places, that would be unfair.
Anyways. This is the internets. I've already thought about too many in depth things for a sunday morning.
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Water can flow, or it can Crash.
Be Water My Friend.
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Posted:
I was a noob once, I asked those questions before, and if I see it, I just give them the answers or nudge in the right direction. Because someone once did it for me. This just further clarifies to me that this new senior section is less about building community then dividing it. Why do you have to hold it against a newbie for being a newbie? If you don't have the time for them, how do you have the time to try to control the situation?
Written by: TheBovrilMonkey
But hey, if you have workable suggestions of how to..
make everyone do a search before posting
get rid of all the stupid games without getting lots of complaints
stop people posting in textspeak
then I'd love to hear them.
I was a noob once, I asked those questions before, and if I see it, I just give them the answers or nudge in the right direction. Because someone once did it for me. This just further clarifies to me that this new senior section is less about building community then dividing it. Why do you have to hold it against a newbie for being a newbie? If you don't have the time for them, how do you have the time to try to control the situation?
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Posted:
No.
The new forum is still subject to these rules:
Moaning about people behind their back is certainly not going to be following those.
You seem to be under the impression that people in the new forum are never going to read any other part of the site.
I have threads marked as my favourites so that when the next 'what are cone poi' thread gets started I can grab a link to post easily.
But, to be honest, I've replied to almost no newbie questions in the last couple of years, because I've got fed up with almost copying and pasting the answers from the last time I posted them.
I suppose moving into the mindset of 'if no-one takes the time to look for any information then why should I just hand it to them again and again and again and again?' is very easy.
Without going into lots of detail, the discussion kicked up in the senior's lounge is likely to encourage people to get out of that mindset and post helpful advice more often.
EDITED_BY: TheBovrilMonkey (1189337811)
Written by: Icarus
Will the seniors forum become a place where 'seniors' can vent about the way HOP has changed and the 'noobs'?
No.
The new forum is still subject to these rules:
Written by: site rules
* Is it the Truth?
* Is it Fair to all concerned?
* Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
* Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
Moaning about people behind their back is certainly not going to be following those.
Written by: Ry
I was a noob once, I asked those questions before, and if I see it, I just give them the answers or nudge in the right direction. Because someone once did it for me. This just further clarifies to me that this new senior section is less about building community then dividing it. Why do you have to hold it against a newbie for being a newbie? If you don't have the time for them, how do you have the time to try to control the situation?
You seem to be under the impression that people in the new forum are never going to read any other part of the site.
I have threads marked as my favourites so that when the next 'what are cone poi' thread gets started I can grab a link to post easily.
But, to be honest, I've replied to almost no newbie questions in the last couple of years, because I've got fed up with almost copying and pasting the answers from the last time I posted them.
I suppose moving into the mindset of 'if no-one takes the time to look for any information then why should I just hand it to them again and again and again and again?' is very easy.
Without going into lots of detail, the discussion kicked up in the senior's lounge is likely to encourage people to get out of that mindset and post helpful advice more often.
EDITED_BY: TheBovrilMonkey (1189337811)
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Posted:
exactly, its the same in any forum community. like you say, this is the internet and there is a lot of utter tripe posted on it.
for example:
i dont believe there is a way around it but looking at the senior lounge there is a fair amount of tripe being talked in there as well. pretty ironic hey
you cant, but maybe in the more specialised areas you can create a FAQ of the main questions or create an online wiki which a lot of specialist forums are now doing
e.g. www.kvraudio.com have one or making computer music or www.psy-forum.co.uk are looking at creating one for specifically making psy-trance.
a similar thing could be done.or maybe make some topics "sticky". i dunno use your imagination.
dontr get rid. ppl come on here to have a laugh, hang out, chatr with friends. its no bad thing. If you really want create an Offtopic area. It seems to me that the Social Chat area is the area that is noted as being "where you go to talk utter tripe" if you dont like. don't read. Believe me it works wonders if you step away.
U cnt bt thts modern life.
aaanyways, like someone also so said its only the internet.
exactly, its the same in any forum community. like you say, this is the internet and there is a lot of utter tripe posted on it.
for example:
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Baaaaaaaaaaah
gaaaaaaaaaahh
nnnrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr bleeeeeeeeeeeeeugh
fuddingruddyninginggakkyfnuregh.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeepgrrgrrgrrgrrmmmmmmmmnooooop.
mnehwibble.
i dont believe there is a way around it but looking at the senior lounge there is a fair amount of tripe being talked in there as well. pretty ironic hey
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make everyone do a search before posting
you cant, but maybe in the more specialised areas you can create a FAQ of the main questions or create an online wiki which a lot of specialist forums are now doing
e.g. www.kvraudio.com have one or making computer music or www.psy-forum.co.uk are looking at creating one for specifically making psy-trance.
a similar thing could be done.or maybe make some topics "sticky". i dunno use your imagination.
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get rid of all the stupid games without getting lots of complaints
dontr get rid. ppl come on here to have a laugh, hang out, chatr with friends. its no bad thing. If you really want create an Offtopic area. It seems to me that the Social Chat area is the area that is noted as being "where you go to talk utter tripe" if you dont like. don't read. Believe me it works wonders if you step away.
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stop people posting in textspeak
U cnt bt thts modern life.
aaanyways, like someone also so said its only the internet.
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OK, coincidently, I just found out about this forum yesterday separtely. And I before anyone else says that we shouldn't post this here, and 'spoil it' for everyone else, I think its only right that this is posted here, and this is made public knowledge. Sorry to spoil those who would like to make HoP into your own special ellitist club. Because the forum has the potential to 'spoil it' for a lot of other members.
Now how I feel about this is that aparently its fine to isolate mid-length members of HoP in particular (as well as new members), who nevertheless, have made a significant contribution to the community and cause them to leave instead. I only found out about HoP after spinning poi for a long time. But just because I wasn't lucky enough to be informed, I now am excluded?
I've always felt hop had undertones of being very clichey. I also feel that I've never managed to succesfully break into those cliches, and that has been the only thing thats ever put me off from hop. You only have to go into the intro section to see that clichiness. Now I find that the older members, many of whom are my friends, in real life as well as on HoP have their own club, which I may, or may not, ever have access to.
My question is this...
What happens when everyone who joined at the same time as me, so the under 20k's are all 3 years old. And then the under 30k's. Are they then going to have a forum that you can only join when your member number is under 10k? And so to exclude those of us who weren't fortunate enough to find out about hop/ register before then. Basically implying that our contribution to Hop is not a valid one.
Those of you that know me, or have seem me around will know its very rare that I get annoyed at things. But this has really annoyed me. Simply because its another barrier to me, and members like me, to ever feeling that they fully belong, and are accepted as part of HoP. Established members, simply do not realise how intimidating the 'old skool' club can be. I know its not meant to be like that. But then, when you start having things like senior lounges, how do you expect people to feel?
I thought that hop was supposed to pride itself on being a community open to all, accepting of everybody. Rather a contridiction don't you think. And yes, the site is envitably going to grow. And people will come and go. Thats not a good enough excuse to forcibly exclude existing members.
OK, coincidently, I just found out about this forum yesterday separtely. And I before anyone else says that we shouldn't post this here, and 'spoil it' for everyone else, I think its only right that this is posted here, and this is made public knowledge. Sorry to spoil those who would like to make HoP into your own special ellitist club. Because the forum has the potential to 'spoil it' for a lot of other members.
Written by: PK_
its a how can hop progress forum! progress, improve and keep older members from leaving.
Now how I feel about this is that aparently its fine to isolate mid-length members of HoP in particular (as well as new members), who nevertheless, have made a significant contribution to the community and cause them to leave instead. I only found out about HoP after spinning poi for a long time. But just because I wasn't lucky enough to be informed, I now am excluded?
Written by: LTC
Surely, smaller forums like this make it easier to feel a 'belonging' in a community which is SO vast as this? For this reason, I reckon there should be more of them.
I've always felt hop had undertones of being very clichey. I also feel that I've never managed to succesfully break into those cliches, and that has been the only thing thats ever put me off from hop. You only have to go into the intro section to see that clichiness. Now I find that the older members, many of whom are my friends, in real life as well as on HoP have their own club, which I may, or may not, ever have access to.
My question is this...
What happens when everyone who joined at the same time as me, so the under 20k's are all 3 years old. And then the under 30k's. Are they then going to have a forum that you can only join when your member number is under 10k? And so to exclude those of us who weren't fortunate enough to find out about hop/ register before then. Basically implying that our contribution to Hop is not a valid one.
Those of you that know me, or have seem me around will know its very rare that I get annoyed at things. But this has really annoyed me. Simply because its another barrier to me, and members like me, to ever feeling that they fully belong, and are accepted as part of HoP. Established members, simply do not realise how intimidating the 'old skool' club can be. I know its not meant to be like that. But then, when you start having things like senior lounges, how do you expect people to feel?
I thought that hop was supposed to pride itself on being a community open to all, accepting of everybody. Rather a contridiction don't you think. And yes, the site is envitably going to grow. And people will come and go. Thats not a good enough excuse to forcibly exclude existing members.
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PrickyLeaf ftw!!!
well said.
PrickyLeaf ftw!!!
well said.
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Posted:
You mean like the ones we already have? Or perhaps some other mystical FAQs that people actually read?
Burden of proof here is yours. You said it could be done differently, so give us some workable suggestions (preferably ones that don't include just ignoring it).
Written by: biggins
you cant, but maybe in the more specialised areas you can create a FAQ of the main questions or create an online wiki which a lot of specialist forums are now doing
You mean like the ones we already have? Or perhaps some other mystical FAQs that people actually read?
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i dunno use your imagination.
Burden of proof here is yours. You said it could be done differently, so give us some workable suggestions (preferably ones that don't include just ignoring it).
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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oki, so i had a quick look and all i can say is that your FAQs and Stickys are not that obvious to me. But then this is a pretty basic board layout so i guess thats the only way to go.
i'm no forum person (except that i have no lie so spend time lurking on some) so i dunno whats involved but maybe the forum could be moved over to a layout that makes it easier to see FAQs, Stickys etc etc....
couldnt see a Wiki so cant comment on that.
Like I said, i dont know but maybe there are some ppl out there with less than three years time/member number <15,000 on here with suggestions??
maybe the Mods should get on to it and post URLs for the Stickys or the FAQs then lock the threads.
maybe the different "toys" areas can be subdivided into Basic Poi, Advanced Poi, Basic Staff, Advanced Staff etc etc....
at the end of the day, this is a forum on a fairly specialised branch of art/performance/whatever.you will always get new starters coming on askign basic questions. there is no way round it. thats the "joys" of forums. you dont have to post in every single thread, if you feel you've "done your time" redirecting ppl and providing encouragement then thats your perogative and Step Away from the thread.
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anwyays, this is going WAY Offtopic. this thread is about the SeenYourMembers Lounge and how I for one agree with Ry and disagree with having some Laaaahdeedaaaaah corner of a forum for ppl that cant be bothered mixing with the newbies anymore.
and yto take up more space i'd like to add this from PLs post cos you know...its like the truth.
EDITED_BY: biggins (1189340467)
oki, so i had a quick look and all i can say is that your FAQs and Stickys are not that obvious to me. But then this is a pretty basic board layout so i guess thats the only way to go.
i'm no forum person (except that i have no lie so spend time lurking on some) so i dunno whats involved but maybe the forum could be moved over to a layout that makes it easier to see FAQs, Stickys etc etc....
couldnt see a Wiki so cant comment on that.
Like I said, i dont know but maybe there are some ppl out there with less than three years time/member number <15,000 on here with suggestions??
maybe the Mods should get on to it and post URLs for the Stickys or the FAQs then lock the threads.
maybe the different "toys" areas can be subdivided into Basic Poi, Advanced Poi, Basic Staff, Advanced Staff etc etc....
at the end of the day, this is a forum on a fairly specialised branch of art/performance/whatever.you will always get new starters coming on askign basic questions. there is no way round it. thats the "joys" of forums. you dont have to post in every single thread, if you feel you've "done your time" redirecting ppl and providing encouragement then thats your perogative and Step Away from the thread.
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anwyays, this is going WAY Offtopic. this thread is about the SeenYourMembers Lounge and how I for one agree with Ry and disagree with having some Laaaahdeedaaaaah corner of a forum for ppl that cant be bothered mixing with the newbies anymore.
and yto take up more space i'd like to add this from PLs post cos you know...its like the truth.
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What happens when everyone who joined at the same time as me, so the under 20k's are all 3 years old. And then the under 30k's. Are they then going to have a forum that you can only join when your member number is under 10k? And so to exclude those of us who weren't fortunate enough to find out about hop/ register before then. Basically implying that our contribution to Hop is not a valid one.
Those of you that know me, or have seem me around will know its very rare that I get annoyed at things. But this has really annoyed me. Simply because its another barrier to me, and members like me, to ever feeling that they fully belong, and are accepted as part of HoP. Established members, simply do not realise how intimidating the 'old skool' club can be. I know its not meant to be like that. But then, when you start having things like senior lounges, how do you expect people to feel?
I thought that hop was supposed to pride itself on being a community open to all, accepting of everybody. Rather a contridiction don't you think. And yes, the site is envitably going to grow. And people will come and go. Thats not a good enough excuse to forcibly exclude existing members.
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no its more of a how we can mix with the newbies biggins.
I feel that a lot of people have over looked a whole heap of peoples discussions here and in the other forum.
no its more of a how we can mix with the newbies biggins.
I feel that a lot of people have over looked a whole heap of peoples discussions here and in the other forum.
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I cant blame Ry for being pissy. The few people in the lounge who expressed dissatifaction were ignored or jumped on.
Most "seniors" were simply happy to be able to idly chat to old friends in there. Its not like there is lots of ground breaking stuff happening at this point. Its like a retirement home for Hoppers who wandered off for a while and have wandered back and found old friends who still hang around smelling of *insert fuel of choice*.
Im sure that many of the people who are posting in the lounge would not be happy at being excluded from a forum on here.
I cant blame Ry for being pissy. The few people in the lounge who expressed dissatifaction were ignored or jumped on.
Most "seniors" were simply happy to be able to idly chat to old friends in there. Its not like there is lots of ground breaking stuff happening at this point. Its like a retirement home for Hoppers who wandered off for a while and have wandered back and found old friends who still hang around smelling of *insert fuel of choice*.
Im sure that many of the people who are posting in the lounge would not be happy at being excluded from a forum on here.
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Posted:
How can it be about mixing with the newbies when a forum has been created to exclude them?
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no its more of a how we can mix with the newbies biggins.
How can it be about mixing with the newbies when a forum has been created to exclude them?
i would have changed ***** to phallus, and claire to petey Petey
Rougie: but that's what I'm doing here
Arnwyn: what letting me adjust myself in your room?..don't you dare quote that on HoP...
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I only just found out about this cos someone asked me how I felt about 'not making the seniors lounge'. I didn't know what he was talking about.
Seniority? I am possibly the oldest member here, being 54 yrs old. In fact I am so senior in age, I am eligible to buy into gated seniors communities... which is certainly not my style! And I have been into twirling stuff for about 12 years, though I only joined HoP a few years ago (less than three, apparently) But it never occurred to me there would be any kind of 'seniority' created here, so I really thought he meant I had missed out on some government program or something!
Do I think it is somewhat disrespectful to 'middle members' like myself who have been around a few years and have done our best to build the worldwide community in terms of actual events, networking, hospitality, documentation etc? Yes.
Do I care? No, not personally. I know who I am and what I am worth.
Do I think it's good for HoP?
No, not really. It being 'secret' is probably the worst thing. It might be better if its existence was obvious and the purpose clear.
Is it good for some members? Apparently. Will people get used to it? Probably, particularly if it is transparently private as it were.
I only just found out about this cos someone asked me how I felt about 'not making the seniors lounge'. I didn't know what he was talking about.
Seniority? I am possibly the oldest member here, being 54 yrs old. In fact I am so senior in age, I am eligible to buy into gated seniors communities... which is certainly not my style! And I have been into twirling stuff for about 12 years, though I only joined HoP a few years ago (less than three, apparently) But it never occurred to me there would be any kind of 'seniority' created here, so I really thought he meant I had missed out on some government program or something!
Do I think it is somewhat disrespectful to 'middle members' like myself who have been around a few years and have done our best to build the worldwide community in terms of actual events, networking, hospitality, documentation etc? Yes.
Do I care? No, not personally. I know who I am and what I am worth.
Do I think it's good for HoP?
No, not really. It being 'secret' is probably the worst thing. It might be better if its existence was obvious and the purpose clear.
Is it good for some members? Apparently. Will people get used to it? Probably, particularly if it is transparently private as it were.
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Posted:
What is interesting is the number of people who do alot of good within the community who arent of the right user number. Gabe for example organising Uber. Ry with pics and help for other members.
What is interesting is the number of people who do alot of good within the community who arent of the right user number. Gabe for example organising Uber. Ry with pics and help for other members.
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It maybe shows that although HOP may be changing (the only constant seems to be that people are always saying how much it has changed ) some of the new things are certainly to be celebrated 
It maybe shows that although HOP may be changing (the only constant seems to be that people are always saying how much it has changed
) some of the new things are certainly to be celebrated ... simplify ...
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Is it the Truth?
Is it Fair to all concerned?
Will it build Goodwill and Better Friendships?
Will it be Beneficial to all concerned?
Im in a lonely battle with the world with a fish to match the chip on my shoulder. Gnu in Binnu in a cnu
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Posted:
Another thing I'd like to add to the matter, because I think some of the 'senior members' haven't really considered this.
Senior members reading this. I ask you all to stop a minute. And think objectively. What if I, had joined Hop, a year or two or however long later?
How would I feel if I was member #15001
How would I feel if I had spent a lot of time adding good quality photographs to the gallery, contributed to the organisation of meets, spent a lot of time helping newbies with their questions.
But because I joined a day, week, month, year too late, I am not valued or respected enough to join the senior lounge, despite knowing a great deal of people in the senior lounge and making a significant contribution to HoP.
Because this is the position that a lot of members posting in this thread have been placed in.
I'm sure its very nice for all of you who have access to catch up with old friends and discuss the progression of HoP. Apparently, my views, opinions, whatever, are not significant enough to be posted on that forum. Apparently, I'm not considered as an old friend.
That is how I feel at the moment.
(I'd like to add, I appreciate the contributions from the senior members who have thought of this already. I just hope somebody out there is willing to actually listnen, and do something about what is being said).
EDITED_BY: pricklyleaf (1189343201)
Another thing I'd like to add to the matter, because I think some of the 'senior members' haven't really considered this.
Senior members reading this. I ask you all to stop a minute. And think objectively. What if I, had joined Hop, a year or two or however long later?
How would I feel if I was member #15001
How would I feel if I had spent a lot of time adding good quality photographs to the gallery, contributed to the organisation of meets, spent a lot of time helping newbies with their questions.
But because I joined a day, week, month, year too late, I am not valued or respected enough to join the senior lounge, despite knowing a great deal of people in the senior lounge and making a significant contribution to HoP.
Because this is the position that a lot of members posting in this thread have been placed in.
I'm sure its very nice for all of you who have access to catch up with old friends and discuss the progression of HoP. Apparently, my views, opinions, whatever, are not significant enough to be posted on that forum. Apparently, I'm not considered as an old friend.
That is how I feel at the moment.
(I'd like to add, I appreciate the contributions from the senior members who have thought of this already. I just hope somebody out there is willing to actually listnen, and do something about what is being said).
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Posted:
It doesn't go on Member number!
It goes on Time.
Yes, there are going to be exceptions, like Gabe, Ry and Holly.
I can think of a few more.
I can also think of some people in there that shouldn't be, for the same reasons that you feel excluded.
Such is life. The world still turns.
It doesn't go on Member number!
It goes on Time.
Yes, there are going to be exceptions, like Gabe, Ry and Holly.
I can think of a few more.
I can also think of some people in there that shouldn't be, for the same reasons that you feel excluded.
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Posted:
The talk about year has so far only been suggestions ("PK's suggestion")but it hasn't been implemented yet.
Written by: Malcolm
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The talk about year has so far only been suggestions ("PK's suggestion")but it hasn't been implemented yet.
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Posted:
I think the 'Seniors Lounge' is an experiment by Malcolm to attract/retainsome of the longer-term members who, for whatever reason, weren't being as involved anymore.
It seems to be achieving that- I don't understand why, but, a lot of those members are posting a lot more.
Maybe it's coincidence, but there seems also to be a lot more activity in 'discussion' which,previously, seemed to have not much happening in it.
Without being able to speak for malcolm, I think it's pretty obvious that exclusion was not the intent of 'senior lounge', neither do I think that it's been the consequence, though I can understand why some may see it as being.
Personally, I think it's working so well that it should be allowed to run to where it's going.
For those who can't view it, I can assure you that it's not a bitching forum- it's subject to the same posting guidelines as elsewhere, plus, as one of the issues being hotly debated is that of whether it should become visible to non-seniors (the 'glass ceiling') it wouldn't be advisable to critisise those who may, if that happens, see those points.
To those concerned about decisions being made that affect all of HOP- that's not happening, the only things being debated are how 'seniors lounge' will progress (or not)- and those issues are also being discussed in htis board ('discussion').
The one thing I would think would ease tensions, would be for Malcolm to post an explanation of the intent of 'seniors lounge' with the exact details of how, and when, HOP members get access to the lounge.
However, given that it's an experiment, still in development, I entirely appreciate why Malcolm has held back on that one, cos it's not possible to post the details until the things run a fair while.
Ultimately, if you like HOP and have faith in it and in malcolm, I'm sure you'll realise that this will be sorted out, that Malcolm and Admin will be listening to all the comments and make the necessary decisions.
I think the 'Seniors Lounge' is an experiment by Malcolm to attract/retainsome of the longer-term members who, for whatever reason, weren't being as involved anymore.
It seems to be achieving that- I don't understand why, but, a lot of those members are posting a lot more.
Maybe it's coincidence, but there seems also to be a lot more activity in 'discussion' which,previously, seemed to have not much happening in it.
Without being able to speak for malcolm, I think it's pretty obvious that exclusion was not the intent of 'senior lounge', neither do I think that it's been the consequence, though I can understand why some may see it as being.
Personally, I think it's working so well that it should be allowed to run to where it's going.
For those who can't view it, I can assure you that it's not a bitching forum- it's subject to the same posting guidelines as elsewhere, plus, as one of the issues being hotly debated is that of whether it should become visible to non-seniors (the 'glass ceiling') it wouldn't be advisable to critisise those who may, if that happens, see those points.
To those concerned about decisions being made that affect all of HOP- that's not happening, the only things being debated are how 'seniors lounge' will progress (or not)- and those issues are also being discussed in htis board ('discussion').
The one thing I would think would ease tensions, would be for Malcolm to post an explanation of the intent of 'seniors lounge' with the exact details of how, and when, HOP members get access to the lounge.
However, given that it's an experiment, still in development, I entirely appreciate why Malcolm has held back on that one, cos it's not possible to post the details until the things run a fair while.
Ultimately, if you like HOP and have faith in it and in malcolm, I'm sure you'll realise that this will be sorted out, that Malcolm and Admin will be listening to all the comments and make the necessary decisions.
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Posted:
And maybe, if those seniors currently debating the issues in 'seniors lounge', wanted to show that they are still committed to the whole HOP community, they may focus the discussion over here 'Discussion' where everyone can see it and be involved- that is after all what the 'Discussion' board is for.
And maybe, if those seniors currently debating the issues in 'seniors lounge', wanted to show that they are still committed to the whole HOP community, they may focus the discussion over here 'Discussion' where everyone can see it and be involved- that is after all what the 'Discussion' board is for.
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Posted:
I am glad this thread has been reinstated after being taken off for a day or so. Thanks Malcolm and I hope the things you have to attend to work out smoothly.
Cheers
Gabe
I am glad this thread has been reinstated after being taken off for a day or so. Thanks Malcolm and I hope the things you have to attend to work out smoothly.
Cheers
Gabe
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Posted:
Er, am I letting out a big secret by saying there are other secret/private forums - not just the Seniors lounge? There's a Mod section and a performers section, and if anything the latter is far more cliquey/elitist than the seniors lounge (Not that I think any of these "members only" areas are cliquey)
They're seperate areas for specific groups - nothing groundbreaking is being posted in the seniors lounge, it's just a social chat for people who've been on the scene a while and are sick of the usual music/weave/game malarky
Er, am I letting out a big secret by saying there are other secret/private forums - not just the Seniors lounge? There's a Mod section and a performers section, and if anything the latter is far more cliquey/elitist than the seniors lounge (Not that I think any of these "members only" areas are cliquey)
They're seperate areas for specific groups - nothing groundbreaking is being posted in the seniors lounge, it's just a social chat for people who've been on the scene a while and are sick of the usual music/weave/game malarky
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Posted:
Yep, well said OWD. I have definitely done that to show that I’m in no way dedicated to the "elitist" cause that people are so eager to pin on the 'seniors.'
Written by: onewheeldave
And maybe, if those seniors currently debating the issues in 'seniors lounge', wanted to show that they are still committed to the whole HOP community, they may focus the discussion over here 'Discussion' where everyone can see it and be involved- that is after all what the 'Discussion' board is for.
Yep, well said OWD. I have definitely done that to show that I’m in no way dedicated to the "elitist" cause that people are so eager to pin on the 'seniors.'
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Posted:
this thread should be locked... or were gonna have two threads talking [censored] going on at the same time.
this thread should be locked... or were gonna have two threads talking [censored] going on at the same time.
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Posted:
So it must be a universal law then, that can't ever be changed? No. Hop is trying to be a better forum, that keeps ALL it's members interested.
Written by: bigginsWritten by: Limits_To_Contest
you want to know why I had become uninclined to post in other sections?
Because I'm sick of answering the same old questions, because I'm fed up of seeing what stupid information someone knows about the person above them, because 'the game' pisses me off more than anything else in existance, because I'm bored with seeing conversation after conversation between people I don't know.
that is the way of ALL internet forums EVER. someone has even written an online article about it somewhere if you could be bothered to go find it.
So it must be a universal law then, that can't ever be changed? No. Hop is trying to be a better forum, that keeps ALL it's members interested.
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Posted:
This is what I posted in the senior forum a few days ago.
I think some points are valid here.
It was the first time, in a long time, where I felt I could actually post my opinion, without having to fluff it out with fake politeness or big words to make ones self seem more intelligent to others - which I sometimes feel I have to do to take part in social disscusion, and other debates that take place on HoP.
I have seem some fantastic suggestions come out of senior forum, and thats all they are - suggestions.
Do you really think major changes to HoP would happen without the approval of the whole community?!
When the site was undergoing aesthetic changes Malcolm even asked our opinions on what we thought of the banner colour at the top of the page for christs sake!
As a general rule 'senior' members have a better understanding of how HoP works, and more specifically what works - therfore they may come up with more valid suggestions than other members.
Of course there are going to be exceptions, and people who feel their opinions are not appriciated as they are not included in the forum, however any major changes due to happen on HoP, I feel, will always get put past the wider community.
This is what I think.
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I cant really tap all the things in my head at the momant, so the best thing I can come up with is - lighten up, its the sodding internet.
Sorry, really dont see what all the fuss is about.
I dont want to insult Malcolm, but if you take away the poi, staff and technical sections, HoP really is no differant than any other average forum on the internet.
The same bickering, cliques, and vomit inducing roll play *takes a flame thrower to all marshmellow sofas and glitter glue guns*, happens everywhere else.
What I'm basically trying to say is if you want to spend your time worrying if this miniscule new section of the web for members of 'X' amount of time is going to piss off members of 'Y' amount of time then do it. IMO i think its a waste of time to be faffing over, but whatever floats your boat...
This is what I posted in the senior forum a few days ago.
I think some points are valid here.
It was the first time, in a long time, where I felt I could actually post my opinion, without having to fluff it out with fake politeness or big words to make ones self seem more intelligent to others - which I sometimes feel I have to do to take part in social disscusion, and other debates that take place on HoP.
I have seem some fantastic suggestions come out of senior forum, and thats all they are - suggestions.
Do you really think major changes to HoP would happen without the approval of the whole community?!
When the site was undergoing aesthetic changes Malcolm even asked our opinions on what we thought of the banner colour at the top of the page for christs sake!
As a general rule 'senior' members have a better understanding of how HoP works, and more specifically what works - therfore they may come up with more valid suggestions than other members.
Of course there are going to be exceptions, and people who feel their opinions are not appriciated as they are not included in the forum, however any major changes due to happen on HoP, I feel, will always get put past the wider community.
This is what I think.
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Posted:
As Malcolms just pointed out- senior lounge is an experiment, as such nothing is fixed and all opinions in these threads (even the rants) are going to figure in the final decisions.
So it's probably best if everyone who isn't relaxed, relaxes and those carrying hurt, try to let go for a while.
Unfortunately, upset has been caused, with thread deletions/reinstatments, but that kind of stuffs bound to happen.
PK, try to see that, if Ry's done stuff a bit out-of-order, it's cos,from his viewpoint, out-of-order stuff was done to him- I'm sure if you both leave off having a go at each otherr for a few days, it'll probably come to be seen as a misunderstanding.
IMO, part of the problem is the view that seniors lounge is some kind of treat/reward for the oldies, when really,it's not, it's just a place to go that's meant for the oldies.
It's like a quiet room at a party- noisy people are kind of excluded, but only so the place can be quiet (substitute 'quiet' for 'senior')
There's always problems with change on forums- to this day some people still resent the splitting of social into 'chat' and 'discussion'- there's still attempts to start chat threads in the 'discussion' thread and occasional snipes about those who use 'discussion'.
The points about determining 'seniority' are valid- some major contributers who'd probably benefit from having access, currently aren't.
But that's the nature of an experiment, an arbitrary cut-off point is necessary- that doesn't mean that, with all feedback in, exceptions can't be made in some cases, or different cut-off points implemented.
As Malcolms just pointed out- senior lounge is an experiment, as such nothing is fixed and all opinions in these threads (even the rants) are going to figure in the final decisions.
So it's probably best if everyone who isn't relaxed, relaxes and those carrying hurt, try to let go for a while.
Unfortunately, upset has been caused, with thread deletions/reinstatments, but that kind of stuffs bound to happen.
PK, try to see that, if Ry's done stuff a bit out-of-order, it's cos,from his viewpoint, out-of-order stuff was done to him- I'm sure if you both leave off having a go at each otherr for a few days, it'll probably come to be seen as a misunderstanding.
IMO, part of the problem is the view that seniors lounge is some kind of treat/reward for the oldies, when really,it's not, it's just a place to go that's meant for the oldies.
It's like a quiet room at a party- noisy people are kind of excluded, but only so the place can be quiet (substitute 'quiet' for 'senior')
There's always problems with change on forums- to this day some people still resent the splitting of social into 'chat' and 'discussion'- there's still attempts to start chat threads in the 'discussion' thread and occasional snipes about those who use 'discussion'.
The points about determining 'seniority' are valid- some major contributers who'd probably benefit from having access, currently aren't.
But that's the nature of an experiment, an arbitrary cut-off point is necessary- that doesn't mean that, with all feedback in, exceptions can't be made in some cases, or different cut-off points implemented.
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Posted:
im not technically a senior... not if i use this account.
im not technically a senior... not if i use this account.
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Posted:
its not about how many posts you have.
its not about how many videos you've made.
its not about how many meets you've organised.
its not about how long you've been a member of your local, national or the global spinning community.
its not about about how many photos you've taken (no matter how brilliant they are).
its not about how long you've been spinning.
its not about how old you are.
its not about how much you've spent in the shop.
its about how long you've been a member of hop.
that's it.
its an experiment with no solid hypothesis which (to geeks like me) sounds bad but its working out alright (bar this little hiccup
), if only for the fact that its making members who haven't posted in a long time post again.
at the moment, its main purpose seems to be to act as a wake up call to us lurkers who still come here but don't post very often and working out if anything can be done to fix that.
the people that are in there are mainly the people that used to post lots (comparitively - five years ago or so there were less people and hence far less posts) and don't any more.
the danger is that not posting, leads to not visiting the site any more.
if you think that trying to attract long-standing hop members back to the site (and i mean the whole of the site, not just the seniors lounge) is a bad thing, then we should definitely get rid of the seniors lounge.
just remember that the members that are posting are mainly those that saw it go from a shop and a message board, stayed with it through a number of years and through a multitude of changes (many more than those that have occurred in the last three years) to see it become the progressive community website it is today.
my question to those who feel excluded is this:
"how can you provide insight on how the hop community has evolved since its inception if you have only been a participating member for the later part of hop's life?"
the seniors lounge is an opportunity for malcolm to hear the voices that wouldn't be heard in a thread like this, voices that have seen the site go through a number of changes, and hear what they think has improved and what has deteriorated hop for them.
and as far as i know, it doesn't stop anyone making suggestions in the main forum on what they see as the future of hop and what they love/hate about it since they joined.
cole. x
its not about how many posts you have.
its not about how many videos you've made.
its not about how many meets you've organised.
its not about how long you've been a member of your local, national or the global spinning community.
its not about about how many photos you've taken (no matter how brilliant they are).
its not about how long you've been spinning.
its not about how old you are.
its not about how much you've spent in the shop.
its about how long you've been a member of hop.
that's it.
its an experiment with no solid hypothesis which (to geeks like me) sounds bad but its working out alright (bar this little hiccup
), if only for the fact that its making members who haven't posted in a long time post again.at the moment, its main purpose seems to be to act as a wake up call to us lurkers who still come here but don't post very often and working out if anything can be done to fix that.
the people that are in there are mainly the people that used to post lots (comparitively - five years ago or so there were less people and hence far less posts) and don't any more.
the danger is that not posting, leads to not visiting the site any more.
if you think that trying to attract long-standing hop members back to the site (and i mean the whole of the site, not just the seniors lounge) is a bad thing, then we should definitely get rid of the seniors lounge.
just remember that the members that are posting are mainly those that saw it go from a shop and a message board, stayed with it through a number of years and through a multitude of changes (many more than those that have occurred in the last three years) to see it become the progressive community website it is today.
my question to those who feel excluded is this:
"how can you provide insight on how the hop community has evolved since its inception if you have only been a participating member for the later part of hop's life?"
the seniors lounge is an opportunity for malcolm to hear the voices that wouldn't be heard in a thread like this, voices that have seen the site go through a number of changes, and hear what they think has improved and what has deteriorated hop for them.
and as far as i know, it doesn't stop anyone making suggestions in the main forum on what they see as the future of hop and what they love/hate about it since they joined.
cole. x
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Posted:
Its interesting that this thread is still full of members who have been on the site a fair time, I am including Ry in this category . Why arent newer members responding?
Its interesting that this thread is still full of members who have been on the site a fair time, I am including Ry in this category . Why arent newer members responding?
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