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Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
hello peeps,
well the problem is i can do most of the beginner+intermedate stuff ie weave (forwards+backwards) figure of 8 thread the needle (only forwards) where to next? i looked at some of the advanced tricks ie 5 beat weave but it seems way above my level need some insight from some true masters. Can any body help?
hello peeps,
well the problem is i can do most of the beginner+intermedate stuff ie weave (forwards+backwards) figure of 8 thread the needle (only forwards) where to next? i looked at some of the advanced tricks ie 5 beat weave but it seems way above my level need some insight from some true masters. Can any body help?
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Location: United Kingdom
Lambretta Fanatic
4,997 posts
Location: United Kingdom
Posted:
its hard to determin what you want to learn by your post, what you want to learn is up to you people are entering the poi community now knowing nothing and then fast become advanced in their abillities because there are really talented people out there that lend a hand, back when some of us were learning there were maybe one or two people around and all around the same abilities, now its all gone mad and every one is getting too damn good in such short spaces it took us damn ages to get ot those levels.
so for you the next possible steps you could take is learning what you can do with the moves you can already do.
transitions between the moves learning stops, stalls, wraps, adding extra beats thats still only basic stuff though can mess with your head a little.
then its onto more advanced stuff like behind the back weaves and butterflies and such.
depends on your eagerness to learn moves, meeting others in person to help each other to learn.
for visual aids, you can goto the video section and spend some time downloading all the quality videos that are linked up here on HoP, [plug pk and mineiro's videos] dj dantana, tempests they are all damn good videos of quality spinners. you will probably learn a whole heap from watching them all. if you want to feel sickend watch the videos by Meenik.
any way welcome and i hope we can help you more.
be kewl
its hard to determin what you want to learn by your post, what you want to learn is up to you people are entering the poi community now knowing nothing and then fast become advanced in their abillities because there are really talented people out there that lend a hand, back when some of us were learning there were maybe one or two people around and all around the same abilities, now its all gone mad and every one is getting too damn good in such short spaces it took us damn ages to get ot those levels.
so for you the next possible steps you could take is learning what you can do with the moves you can already do.
transitions between the moves learning stops, stalls, wraps, adding extra beats thats still only basic stuff though can mess with your head a little.
then its onto more advanced stuff like behind the back weaves and butterflies and such.
depends on your eagerness to learn moves, meeting others in person to help each other to learn.
for visual aids, you can goto the video section and spend some time downloading all the quality videos that are linked up here on HoP, [plug pk and mineiro's videos] dj dantana, tempests they are all damn good videos of quality spinners. you will probably learn a whole heap from watching them all. if you want to feel sickend watch the videos by Meenik.
any way welcome and i hope we can help you more.
be kewl
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Location: bristol/ southern eastern devon, United Kingdom
Posted:
keep trying the 5 beat weave, i know it seems like you are never gonna do it, but if you keep going for it, just let the poi get tangled... and evetually you will work out the movements to keep the poi separate, or thats how i learnt it, and i was at the stage you say you are not that long ago.
keep trying the 5 beat weave, i know it seems like you are never gonna do it, but if you keep going for it, just let the poi get tangled... and evetually you will work out the movements to keep the poi separate, or thats how i learnt it, and i was at the stage you say you are not that long ago.
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
cheers for the help ive started to go down to the PIP in london, 5beat aghhh it just does not seem to work for me oh well with a little bit of tangled wrists and alot of time i will get it, as for the varations on the moves i know any suggestions cheers peeps
cheers for the help ive started to go down to the PIP in london, 5beat aghhh it just does not seem to work for me oh well with a little bit of tangled wrists and alot of time i will get it, as for the varations on the moves i know any suggestions cheers peeps
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Location: Europe,Scotland,Both
Posted:
dont worry about the five beat too much, its not that good a trick, the only time i use it now is with weird iso/hyperloop stuff, which is waaaay ahaead anyway
T
dont worry about the five beat too much, its not that good a trick, the only time i use it now is with weird iso/hyperloop stuff, which is waaaay ahaead anyway
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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still can't believe it's not butter
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
still can't believe it's not butter
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
you could always turn to the dark side and take up staff!
c'mon, the first one's free!
you could always turn to the dark side and take up staff!
c'mon, the first one's free!
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
well if their is a free staff going....... i had a go at staff its fun but i just got devil sticks for my birthday no i guess that is my next toy are any of you people from PIP?? london.
now devil sticks they are truly hard to get the hang of..
well if their is a free staff going....... i had a go at staff its fun but i just got devil sticks for my birthday no i guess that is my next toy are any of you people from PIP?? london.
now devil sticks they are truly hard to get the hang of..
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Location: USA
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Location: USA
Posted:
The five beat is easy if you give it a shot with poi that are a little longer and a little heavier than you are used too. I think with lighter poi, you have to spin them so fast to keep them going that you are unable to really focus on the proper form.
After that, just do the basic moves (butterfly, weave, windmills), and practice transitioning. I can do the butterfly family for ever, and people seem to be impressed (which amazes the hell out of me), simply because I move around with it and make exagerated motions with my arms. You know, toss some wiered beats into a mexican wave or something. Although experienced poi spinners will see that you are just doing simple moves, they too can appreciate good showmanship.
The five beat is easy if you give it a shot with poi that are a little longer and a little heavier than you are used too. I think with lighter poi, you have to spin them so fast to keep them going that you are unable to really focus on the proper form.
After that, just do the basic moves (butterfly, weave, windmills), and practice transitioning. I can do the butterfly family for ever, and people seem to be impressed (which amazes the hell out of me), simply because I move around with it and make exagerated motions with my arms. You know, toss some wiered beats into a mexican wave or something. Although experienced poi spinners will see that you are just doing simple moves, they too can appreciate good showmanship.
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Posted:
quote:STAFF!
where to next?
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
well mabie i will give staff a second chance can any body explain wraps i keep hearing about them
well mabie i will give staff a second chance can any body explain wraps i keep hearing about them
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big and good and broken
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
big and good and broken
7,330 posts
Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
forget sticks - they're all solid and the two ends are always 180deg apart.
its a bit like poi but without the variation...
*ducks incoming fire sticks used as spears*
wraps you definitely can't do with sticks though.
a wrap is just what it says - you stick something in the way of the poi, it wraps round it and when it unwraps it will thus be spinning in the opposite direction.
there is a wicked list of which wraps look good and where you can put them - just go to the menu at the top of the page and click on the 'wraps' option under 'free lessons'.
there's also a video somewhere of some kiddies from chicago doing crazy fast wrap combos but you'll have to find that one for yourself
when you're done there, do a search on 'thru wrap'...
forget sticks - they're all solid and the two ends are always 180deg apart.
its a bit like poi but without the variation...
*ducks incoming fire sticks used as spears*
wraps you definitely can't do with sticks though.
a wrap is just what it says - you stick something in the way of the poi, it wraps round it and when it unwraps it will thus be spinning in the opposite direction.
there is a wicked list of which wraps look good and where you can put them - just go to the menu at the top of the page and click on the 'wraps' option under 'free lessons'.
there's also a video somewhere of some kiddies from chicago doing crazy fast wrap combos but you'll have to find that one for yourself
when you're done there, do a search on 'thru wrap'...
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,252 posts
Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
Posted:
Jugglings nice as well, a few weeks initial learning curve to get the basics and then enough moves to spend a lifetime learning.
A lot of spinners also seem to like contact ball, looks really nice but is one of the hardest things to learn.
quote:Why not try meteors, they're like a cross between poi and staff, but are easy to make and fold up small for carrying. (see 'other toys' section for meteor info).
Originally posted by brodieman_X:
well if their is a free staff going....... i had a go at staff its fun but i just got devil sticks for my birthday no i guess that is my next toy are any of you people from PIP?? london.
now devil sticks they are truly hard to get the hang of..
Jugglings nice as well, a few weeks initial learning curve to get the basics and then enough moves to spend a lifetime learning.
A lot of spinners also seem to like contact ball, looks really nice but is one of the hardest things to learn.
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Posted:
.....and how could I forget- off road unicycling!!
.....and how could I forget- off road unicycling!!
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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still can't believe it's not butter
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
still can't believe it's not butter
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted:
besides, my matey, if you take up staff, you can hang out with cool people like us over in the staff forum!
:sauvely leans against the doorway, only to slide onto the wall and falls over in a mess..:
besides, my matey, if you take up staff, you can hang out with cool people like us over in the staff forum!
:sauvely leans against the doorway, only to slide onto the wall and falls over in a mess..:
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1,376 posts
Location: London, UK
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Location: London, UK
Posted:
quote:
Originally posted by onewheeldave:
.....and how could I forget- off road unicycling!!
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh still cant get that 5 beat going my poi just wraps round my arm oh well i still have my devil sticks.........
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh still cant get that 5 beat going my poi just wraps round my arm oh well i still have my devil sticks.........
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Location: Berlin, Ireland
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Location: Berlin, Ireland
Posted:
Gotta second Tom on that again though. Don't get too caught up on the 5 beat. Play with other stuff and try it again at a later stage. It's not that great a move really.
Gotta second Tom on that again though. Don't get too caught up on the 5 beat. Play with other stuff and try it again at a later stage. It's not that great a move really.
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Location: sheffield, United Kingdom
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quote:Can you do the four beat? I've managed to show people how to get the four beat by using a method where you stop the poi then restart. As a five beat is the same as a four beat on both sides it may be useful.
Originally posted by brodieman_X:
aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh still cant get that 5 beat going my poi just wraps round my arm oh well i still have my devil sticks.........
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
i will try that cheers for all yor help p any other poi trick i could work on any ideas
i will try that cheers for all yor help p any other poi trick i could work on any ideas
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Posted:
get your one handed weave/butterfly sorted out.
T
get your one handed weave/butterfly sorted out.
T
This is a post by tom, all spelling is deleberate
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
cool got the one hand butterfly going but 1 hand weave is hard
cool got the one hand butterfly going but 1 hand weave is hard
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i just landed the 5 beat today and i have to say once you get the hang of it its not that tough in fact its even a little boring. now the btb chase thats a move that stumps me.
i just landed the 5 beat today and i have to say once you get the hang of it its not that tough in fact its even a little boring. now the btb chase thats a move that stumps me.
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A good use for it is in turning as it makes the planes really solid i.e. when turning with three beat it's easy to end up not exactly 180 degrees at the completion of the turn; initiating the turn with a five beat will lock you into a solid plane (Kato and pk originally explained this to me).
To get the most out of it learn a reverse five beat as well then you can turn 360 degrees.
As well as giving more exact planes it is also visually very different and feels very different.
quote:A few people have said the 5 beats not that interesting.
Originally posted by dark nomad:
i just landed the 5 beat today and i have to say once you get the hang of it its not that tough in fact its even a little boring. now the btb chase thats a move that stumps me.
A good use for it is in turning as it makes the planes really solid i.e. when turning with three beat it's easy to end up not exactly 180 degrees at the completion of the turn; initiating the turn with a five beat will lock you into a solid plane (Kato and pk originally explained this to me).
To get the most out of it learn a reverse five beat as well then you can turn 360 degrees.
As well as giving more exact planes it is also visually very different and feels very different.
"You can't outrun Death forever.
But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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Location: London, UK
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Posted:
There are lots of uses of the five-beat weave as I've discovered - straight arm five-beat helps with moving your arms across your body, hyperloops are equivalent to the five-beat movement as are three-beat weaves with thru wraps. And then by splitting your hands while doing a five beat rather than wrapping them you can enter the world of isolated weaves
There are lots of uses of the five-beat weave as I've discovered - straight arm five-beat helps with moving your arms across your body, hyperloops are equivalent to the five-beat movement as are three-beat weaves with thru wraps. And then by splitting your hands while doing a five beat rather than wrapping them you can enter the world of isolated weaves
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old hand
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Location: london
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Location: london
Posted:
people tried in vain to show me but its going to be one of those things that are going to take loads of time
people tried in vain to show me but its going to be one of those things that are going to take loads of time
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Posted:
The 5 beat is good as a step towards hyperloops. Spiralx has it right. I don't do the 5 beat much, but it helped me conceptualize the motion of my poi and made other moves easier to learn. (Now if I could only reverse it..)
The 5 beat is good as a step towards hyperloops. Spiralx has it right. I don't do the 5 beat much, but it helped me conceptualize the motion of my poi and made other moves easier to learn. (Now if I could only reverse it..)
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Location: Leeds UK
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Posted:
WOlfie
quote:I'm dead competant with both 5bt weave, and a few good isolations, but how the hell do you comine the two to isolate a propper weave? On which beats do you separate your hands, and does it stay isolated all the way through the weave? These isolations are turning my head inside out and I can't find a decent desscription of a fully isolated weave so if you could help me that would be cool.
spiral x > And then by splitting your hands while doing a five beat rather than wrapping them you can enter the world of isolated weaves
WOlfie
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big and good and broken
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Location: lunn dunn, yoo kay, United Kingdom
Posted:
a good start is to try to spin a 5bt weave but without your hands together touching or letting the string touch you at all.
you'll notice that to do this, you have to slightly isolate the poi in the hand that usually would wrap underneath the other wrist.
that is as much as i know about teaching isolated weaves. i'll try harder when i can do them properly...
a good start is to try to spin a 5bt weave but without your hands together touching or letting the string touch you at all.
you'll notice that to do this, you have to slightly isolate the poi in the hand that usually would wrap underneath the other wrist.
that is as much as i know about teaching isolated weaves. i'll try harder when i can do them properly...
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Location: London, UK
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Posted:
What he said The isolated weave involves being able to thread isolations between outer and inner isolations and learning to do the five-beat without touching will start to help there. Gah it's hard to explain.
What he said The isolated weave involves being able to thread isolations between outer and inner isolations and learning to do the five-beat without touching will start to help there. Gah it's hard to explain.
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old hand
1,024 posts
Location: london
1,024 posts
Location: london
Posted:
hello all i figured ot the 5 beat finally (horray) thanks for all your help trying to figure the reverse 5 beat now...........
hello all i figured ot the 5 beat finally (horray) thanks for all your help trying to figure the reverse 5 beat now...........
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