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Location: UK
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Location: UK
Posted:
...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves.......and what type of fire poi are best for this (wires (can't believe I nearly wrote whips!!
) /chains/short/long).. Clues anyone?! 
...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves.......and what type of fire poi are best for this (wires (can't believe I nearly wrote whips!!
) /chains/short/long).. Clues anyone?! BRONZE Member
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Location: Leicesthershire, England
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19 posts
Location: Leicesthershire, England
Posted:
Hey!
Speaking as someone who has just cracked btb 3 beat weave, my advice to anyonme trying it is to try the wrists movements without the poi first, then try it with them with your eyes shut. I worked for me...o and try it with the lightest, shortest poi youve got first!! I had two weeks of briused legs and only got the hang of it when i tried lighter poi, lol, common sense really.
Helz
Hey!
Speaking as someone who has just cracked btb 3 beat weave, my advice to anyonme trying it is to try the wrists movements without the poi first, then try it with them with your eyes shut. I worked for me...o and try it with the lightest, shortest poi youve got first!! I had two weeks of briused legs and only got the hang of it when i tried lighter poi, lol, common sense really.
Helz
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Tosser
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Location: Bristol,UK
Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Posted:
Also- anyone wishing to move to 5bt BTB weaves should note that it really helps to accentuate the turns of the body along with adding the extra wrist-crossed beats- I finally cracked reverse BTB 5bt this way the othe night
Also- anyone wishing to move to 5bt BTB weaves should note that it really helps to accentuate the turns of the body along with adding the extra wrist-crossed beats- I finally cracked reverse BTB 5bt this way the othe night
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529 posts
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
ARRRR!
529 posts
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
Posted:
Been working on BTB butterfly weaves... it's like learning them all over again. I figured they would be easy if you could do the BTB chase and most butterfly weave combos but I'm having no luck so far....
Been working on BTB butterfly weaves... it's like learning them all over again. I figured they would be easy if you could do the BTB chase and most butterfly weave combos but I'm having no luck so far....
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Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Tosser
1,712 posts
Location: Bristol,UK
Posted:
Can't say I've tried them yet, but now I'm getting back into BTB stuff I''ll have a crack- let us know if you have any epoiphanies MT
Chut
Can't say I've tried them yet, but now I'm getting back into BTB stuff I''ll have a crack- let us know if you have any epoiphanies MT
Chut
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Location: Calgary (for now)
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Location: Calgary (for now)
Posted:
Hey there folks,
I am hoping to refresh the question of stretches for BTB poi (weaves in particular). I feel that my BTB stuff would be far better with just a wee bit of extra flexibility.
As for the male body bit - I'm 6'3 with shoulders about as broad as they get. If I can get around them anyone can. That being said, perhaps wee little people may have an edge on us big foks.
Those wondering how to get into them may wish to push themselves a bit less. You'll get there, it just takes time. Someone once posted on here (forget who) that it's good to start with btb butterfly and then move on. For me, one I had the BTB butterfly down the weave was easy. I'm just working on getting to the point where I don't wack my head all the time.
Cheers
Expat Canadian
Hey there folks,
I am hoping to refresh the question of stretches for BTB poi (weaves in particular). I feel that my BTB stuff would be far better with just a wee bit of extra flexibility.
As for the male body bit - I'm 6'3 with shoulders about as broad as they get. If I can get around them anyone can. That being said, perhaps wee little people may have an edge on us big foks
.Those wondering how to get into them may wish to push themselves a bit less. You'll get there, it just takes time. Someone once posted on here (forget who) that it's good to start with btb butterfly and then move on. For me, one I had the BTB butterfly down the weave was easy. I'm just working on getting to the point where I don't wack my head all the time.
Cheers
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Carpal \'Tunnel
3,533 posts
Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Carpal \'Tunnel
3,533 posts
Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
Posted:
mk, what do you all call forward and reverse behind the back? i'd consider going from a reverse swing into a btb weave a forward weave, because from the that point of view, the poi are going forward. i dunno, mabey i'm just silly
mk, what do you all call forward and reverse behind the back? i'd consider going from a reverse swing into a btb weave a forward weave, because from the that point of view, the poi are going forward. i dunno, mabey i'm just silly
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1,376 posts
Location: London, UK
1,376 posts
Location: London, UK
Posted:
If you go from a reverse weave in front of you to BTB that's a reverse BTB weave - the poi haven't changed directions after all.
If you go from a reverse weave in front of you to BTB that's a reverse BTB weave - the poi haven't changed directions after all.
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Bastard Newbie Messiah
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Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA
Bastard Newbie Messiah
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Location: Apparently lost in my ego, USA
Posted:
because when you bend over you point your amrs behind you rather than at the floor behind you... that is if you bend over forward... if you bend over backwards, your just asking for back pain..
Written by: Whiffle Squeek
oh and also, it helps if you bend over a lot...
dunno why, but it does...
because when you bend over you point your amrs behind you rather than at the floor behind you... that is if you bend over forward... if you bend over backwards, your just asking for back pain..
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Pooh-Bah
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Location: Bristol, United Kingdom
Pooh-Bah
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Location: Bristol, United Kingdom
Posted:
I know this sounds stupid but i learn all the behind the back moves standing on a chair.....my reasonning!.......you need relatively long strings for behind the back stuff to work nicely but when you are beginning, you often spend a lot of time hitting the floor. if you start standing on a chair then you can master the actual moves quicker with the extra space around you
I know this sounds stupid but i learn all the behind the back moves standing on a chair.....my reasonning!.......you need relatively long strings for behind the back stuff to work nicely but when you are beginning, you often spend a lot of time hitting the floor. if you start standing on a chair then you can master the actual moves quicker with the extra space around you
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Location: South-west,UK
114 posts
Location: South-west,UK
Posted:
i was going to post here, but instead im going to go outside and actually try to crack those pesky btb weaves
i was going to post here, but instead im going to go outside and actually try to crack those pesky btb weaves
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Location: washington, USA
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Location: washington, USA
Posted:
how about the btb ttn
how about the btb ttn
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Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK
UnNatural Scientist - Currently working on a Breville-legged monkey
757 posts
Location: Bath Uni or Shrewsbury, UK
Posted:
I finally got the hang of both forwards and reverse btb weave I'm now I'm working on constant turning (I think someone called it around the world). This is giving me trouble. Do I turn towards or away from the side with the poi are on? And roughly when?
I finally got the hang of both forwards and reverse btb weave I'm now I'm working on constant turning (I think someone called it around the world). This is giving me trouble. Do I turn towards or away from the side with the poi are on? And roughly when?
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Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
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Location: Hampshire College, MA, USA
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Location: Adelaide, Australia
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Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posted:
lol, i just cracked the forwards one the other night [thanks ben!!], still have to practice it, *thinks* but im pretty sure you turn on the side with the poi. yes.. and then they cross over to the other side in the other direction. that makes sense. so i presume it would be the same for btb. now for btb...
lol, i just cracked the forwards one the other night [thanks ben!!
], still have to practice it, *thinks* but im pretty sure you turn on the side with the poi. yes.. and then they cross over to the other side in the other direction. that makes sense. so i presume it would be the same for btb. now for btb... BRONZE Member
wandering thru the woods of WI
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Location: Wisconsin, USA
wandering thru the woods of WI
3,556 posts
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posted:
first someone point me in the direction of what a butterfly weave is please...i'm sure there is a thread someplace
second
Ok the whole btb weave thing. It’s not that I don’t have the flexibility in my shoulders. I have done the stick thing where you practice with ladle handles and stuff. I have done the one hand at a time thing. But it just doesn’t work. I can’t even get my head to wrap around the figure 8 btb. I have gotten a sort of wave down, I think. Alternating hands on circle at the side and one btb. But I cannot get the coordination down. I have read the posts and tried the majority of the suggestions
I need serious help, Y’all
first someone point me in the direction of what a butterfly weave is please...i'm sure there is a thread someplace
second
Ok the whole btb weave thing. It’s not that I don’t have the flexibility in my shoulders. I have done the stick thing where you practice with ladle handles and stuff. I have done the one hand at a time thing. But it just doesn’t work. I can’t even get my head to wrap around the figure 8 btb. I have gotten a sort of wave down, I think. Alternating hands on circle at the side and one btb. But I cannot get the coordination down. I have read the posts and tried the majority of the suggestions
I need serious help, Y’all
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Carpal \'Tunnel
2,895 posts
Location: Cambridge UK
Carpal \'Tunnel
2,895 posts
Location: Cambridge UK
Posted:
information on the butterfly weave can be found in page one of the 'Helpful Advice Threads' thread at the top of the forum. The BTB weave was a
move to learn for me. I only got it to work fairly recently (after about a year and a half of spinning), by practising in little sessions once every so often. Some things are worth waiting for..
Keep practising and good luck
as for turning: learning BTB waistwraps helps a lot!
information on the butterfly weave can be found in page one of the 'Helpful Advice Threads' thread at the top of the forum. The BTB weave was a
move to learn for me. I only got it to work fairly recently (after about a year and a half of spinning), by practising in little sessions once every so often. Some things are worth waiting for..Keep practising and good luck
as for turning: learning BTB waistwraps helps a lot!
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Location: Sunny South Africa
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Posted:
It took me about a week to learn the forward btb weave, I first worked on swinging them together behind my back and then seperating my hands when I could do that, but im still struggling with the reverse, I just get so worried when I see the poi flying towards my face!
It took me about a week to learn the forward btb weave, I first worked on swinging them together behind my back and then seperating my hands when I could do that, but im still struggling with the reverse, I just get so worried when I see the poi flying towards my face!
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posted:
What's a chicken oriental move
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Written by: sammie
...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.
I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves....
What's a chicken oriental move
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Location: Kentucky, USA
newbie
17 posts
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posted:
I saw a Pupdawg video and have been trying to watch it over and over. It's not so old, and he moves fluidly between forwards weave into btb weave. I can get it now for just a bit, then I start to hit myself.
I saw a Pupdawg video and have been trying to watch it over and over. It's not so old, and he moves fluidly between forwards weave into btb weave. I can get it now for just a bit, then I start to hit myself.
Namaste,
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Posted:
One way is to tuck your hand in by your opposite hip...this makes it a bit neater.
Bend your knee when the poi is coming up by that side.
This stops it catching your heel and hitting you in the back of the Head!!***
Also if you can do a backwards weave in front. Practice doing it as an extended weave..then bring one hand behind to go to opposite hip, then the other to follow....
it is basically the backwards weave...behind your back!!!
Good luck!!!
One way is to tuck your hand in by your opposite hip...this makes it a bit neater.
Bend your knee when the poi is coming up by that side.
This stops it catching your heel and hitting you in the back of the Head!!***
Also if you can do a backwards weave in front. Practice doing it as an extended weave..then bring one hand behind to go to opposite hip, then the other to follow....
it is basically the backwards weave...behind your back!!!
Good luck!!!
Hilary
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Location: Nashville, TN, USA
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380 posts
Location: Nashville, TN, USA
Posted:
my BTB exploded lately. there's almost nothing i can do in front that i can't do at least for a few beats BTB --
i finally got clean entries on BTB butterfly buzzsaw tangle turns (and the matching thru-wraps. my entry happens to start with a waistwrap..) as of last week... umm. i can do most of my wrap sequences and even the move where you weave tangle (one or more "beats") and then double bicep wrap BTB forward and reverse before untangling. the exit keeps wanting to come out inverted tho, which i don't have clean, but i try not to let it go there anyways.
i still don't think i have much room to brag with so many glowstickers out there doing most of this cleaner and longer, but it's impressive enough to try most of this on fire.
EDITED_BY: Dut (1145303457)
Written by: RyWritten by: sammie
...has anyone managed to crack into the world of (painless) behind the back poi.
I'm not talking butterflies, but full on weave/train and chicken oriental moves....
What's a chicken oriental move
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?
my BTB exploded lately. there's almost nothing i can do in front that i can't do at least for a few beats BTB --
i finally got clean entries on BTB butterfly buzzsaw tangle turns (and the matching thru-wraps. my entry happens to start with a waistwrap..) as of last week... umm. i can do most of my wrap sequences and even the move where you weave tangle (one or more "beats") and then double bicep wrap BTB forward and reverse before untangling. the exit keeps wanting to come out inverted tho, which i don't have clean, but i try not to let it go there anyways.
i still don't think i have much room to brag with so many glowstickers out there doing most of this cleaner and longer, but it's impressive enough to try most of this on fire.
EDITED_BY: Dut (1145303457)
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Location: Wales
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172 posts
Location: Wales
Posted:
altho cannot manage to do btb 3bt weave - can crappily do 2 bt includin an eye whack and the beautiful tangling.
but iv found that if doin it with left 1st and right followin then chantin 'just follow the left, just follow the left...' helps me to move my right hand in the right way (my right hand bein the dud hand)
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altho cannot manage to do btb 3bt weave - can crappily do 2 bt includin an eye whack and the beautiful tangling.
but iv found that if doin it with left 1st and right followin then chantin 'just follow the left, just follow the left...' helps me to move my right hand in the right way (my right hand bein the dud hand)
EDITED_BY: buggleberry_fairy (1145821157)
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