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I'm wondering what people's perspectives are on this.
On the one hand there are a lot of great discussions on the danger. But on the other hand you have plenty of pictures in the galleries that seem to just glamorise it without any useful information.
Does anyone think this is hypocritical?
Cheers!
I'm wondering what people's perspectives are on this.
On the one hand there are a lot of great discussions on the danger. But on the other hand you have plenty of pictures in the galleries that seem to just glamorise it without any useful information.
Does anyone think this is hypocritical?
Cheers!
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.:sigh:. Fire Breathing can be considered "cool" but it really depends on what you're looking at. the visual affects created by fire breathing look striking and "cool". however, it is also mindnumbingly dangerous, which is definately not "cool". people who find danger "cool" creep me out. i, for one, have no desire to breath fire, HoP has done a good job of scareing the crap out of me. i'm happy to look at pictures, which, whatever you might say, are "cool" looking. to summize: fire breathing looks cool but isn't
.:sigh:. Fire Breathing can be considered "cool" but it really depends on what you're looking at. the visual affects created by fire breathing look striking and "cool". however, it is also mindnumbingly dangerous, which is definately not "cool". people who find danger "cool" creep me out. i, for one, have no desire to breath fire, HoP has done a good job of scareing the crap out of me. i'm happy to look at pictures, which, whatever you might say, are "cool" looking. to summize: fire breathing looks cool but isn't
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Again, it's cool by definition because it's fashionable. Stop trying to re engineer words or ill collect money from all of you.
Again, it's cool by definition because it's fashionable. Stop trying to re engineer words or ill collect money from all of you.
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Is it? I haven't noticed that. I don't know anyone who does it outside the HoP community.
Written by: snork
Again, it's cool by definition because it's fashionable.
Is it? I haven't noticed that. I don't know anyone who does it outside the HoP community.
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Sorry, but I have to put in my 2 cents too . . .
Cool or not cool ?!? - Reminds me a little bit of the Poi vs. Glowstick Discussions. Pointless imo. Some people are impressed by it and some people are not. Fact.
Banning pictures from HOP or not selling equipment would not help at all. HOP is one of the most responsible sources for Fire Breathing I know, and banning it would just be like ignoring the problem. People have done it and will do it in the future. Its a different Fireart we have to respect.
The only thing we can do is to try our best to educate those who are interested in Fire Breathing about its real dangers.
andy
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Cool or not cool ?!? - Reminds me a little bit of the Poi vs. Glowstick Discussions. Pointless imo. Some people are impressed by it and some people are not. Fact.
Banning pictures from HOP or not selling equipment would not help at all. HOP is one of the most responsible sources for Fire Breathing I know, and banning it would just be like ignoring the problem. People have done it and will do it in the future. Its a different Fireart we have to respect.
The only thing we can do is to try our best to educate those who are interested in Fire Breathing about its real dangers.
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Snork, if fashionable=cool, then, also by definition (given that way more people are into it, including such celebraties as Tom Cruise) would not scientology also be 'cool'?
cos that's not what you were saying on the religious charter thread
Written by: snork
Again, it's cool by definition because it's fashionable. Stop trying to re engineer words....
Snork, if fashionable=cool, then, also by definition (given that way more people are into it, including such celebraties as Tom Cruise) would not scientology also be 'cool'?
cos that's not what you were saying on the religious charter thread
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HOP is indeed the most responsible sources for fire breathing info.
It's FAQs, articles and discussions do a lot to raise awareness of all aspects of the art, especially the dangers.
However, the issue in this thread is about the pictures in the gallery. If those photos were removed, as far as I can see, it wouldn't diminish HOPs value in educating and informing , in the slightest.
(I'm not here suggesting that those photos should be removed- just that it won't diminish in any way the value of HOP as a source of valuable information).
Certainly, banning photos would, IMO, not be like ignoring the problem, as the problem would continue to be addressed, as it now is, by the FAQs, articles and discussions.
Those FAQs, articles and discussions have saved lives and made many people think twice about getting into fire breathing: as far as I can tell the presence of photos has done nothing whatsoever in that direction; arguably, they have had the opposite effect i.e. encouraged people to try it.
If anyone can think of ways in which the presence of breathing photos in the HOP gallery can help to inform people of the dangers, then I'd be interested to hear them.
Written by: PoiBoxII
Banning pictures from HOP or not selling equipment would not help at all. HOP is one of the most responsible sources for Fire Breathing I know, and banning it would just be like ignoring the problem.
HOP is indeed the most responsible sources for fire breathing info.
It's FAQs, articles and discussions do a lot to raise awareness of all aspects of the art, especially the dangers.
However, the issue in this thread is about the pictures in the gallery. If those photos were removed, as far as I can see, it wouldn't diminish HOPs value in educating and informing , in the slightest.
(I'm not here suggesting that those photos should be removed- just that it won't diminish in any way the value of HOP as a source of valuable information).
Certainly, banning photos would, IMO, not be like ignoring the problem, as the problem would continue to be addressed, as it now is, by the FAQs, articles and discussions.
Those FAQs, articles and discussions have saved lives and made many people think twice about getting into fire breathing: as far as I can tell the presence of photos has done nothing whatsoever in that direction; arguably, they have had the opposite effect i.e. encouraged people to try it.
If anyone can think of ways in which the presence of breathing photos in the HOP gallery can help to inform people of the dangers, then I'd be interested to hear them.
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I'm going to take a pic of fire breathing off my gallery. It was only a few weeks ago I found out how toxic it was and now I'm hearing about lungs and shiznit. i won't be happy if a friend suffers from that - the risks are altogether different to other fire toys and performance - so I'll be discouraging him from doing it again.
Frankly I'm shocked at him as I'm sure he'll have researched it
Thanx for this thread
I'm going to take a pic of fire breathing off my gallery. It was only a few weeks ago I found out how toxic it was and now I'm hearing about lungs and shiznit. i won't be happy if a friend suffers from that - the risks are altogether different to other fire toys and performance - so I'll be discouraging him from doing it again.
Frankly I'm shocked at him as I'm sure he'll have researched it
Thanx for this thread
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unfortunatly it is cool onewheeldave, and more people give their life savings to scientology then those hurt by fire breathing.
unfortunatly it is cool onewheeldave, and more people give their life savings to scientology then those hurt by fire breathing.
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Snork. NO! 
Bad bad naughty Snork. Stop giving the impresion you are a 14 year old American boy. Yes. You know what I mean. Stop it. Otherwise I shall remove your trousers and get the bucket of soapy frogs. Or the porcupine and the wetsuit with the bottom cut out. 
Too true. Those fuel burps are the worst things imaginable, second only maybe to going to the toilet then realising you have run out of toilet roll.
Fire breathing Fire breathing Fire breathing fire breathing fire breathing fire breathing .
Yeah! I agree with that.
Then again, scientology is a religion, whereas firespinning simply........ isnt. Regardless of how new to spinning you are
I reckon.. in peoples heads: man + big fire - tools to make fire (pyrotechnics/ flame thrower etc) = cool.
Doing something dangerous and walking away at the end smiling= cool.
Doing something boring and walking away at the end smiling does not = cool.
Danger is bad.
Therefore Cool = Bad.
Ergo Tom Cruise is Bad.
Snork. NO! Bad bad naughty Snork. Stop giving the impresion you are a 14 year old American boy. Yes. You know what I mean. Stop it. Otherwise I shall remove your trousers and get the bucket of soapy frogs. Or the porcupine and the wetsuit with the bottom cut out. Written by: Pelelelele
You are standing there with an oily chin from the fuel, even if you wipe it, there is a residue.
You have fuel stinking breath, and there is the strong possibility you will be belching fuel burps for an hour or so after.
There is the chance that if your plume was large enough you have singed hair, so there you have that smell, and how attractive the short, fried ends are.
Your lips are dry and most likely you are finding something to eat or drink to get rid of the taste, the feel and really that cotton mouth.
Yup...it makes a person so attractive and cool
Too true. Those fuel burps are the worst things imaginable, second only maybe to going to the toilet then realising you have run out of toilet roll.
Fire breathing Fire breathing Fire breathing fire breathing fire breathing fire breathing .
Written by: Snork
and more people give their life savings to scientology then those hurt by fire breathing
Yeah! I agree with that.
Then again, scientology is a religion, whereas firespinning simply........ isnt. Regardless of how new to spinning you are
I reckon.. in peoples heads: man + big fire - tools to make fire (pyrotechnics/ flame thrower etc) = cool.
Doing something dangerous and walking away at the end smiling= cool.
Doing something boring and walking away at the end smiling does not = cool.
Danger is bad.
Therefore Cool = Bad.
Ergo Tom Cruise is Bad.
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Just another little "chime in with my 2 cents"....
Since I first picked up spinning/twirling/whatever few years ago, I've breathed fire three times and I didn't like it too much. I'd practiced without the fuel, read up about it, scouring HoP in the process and it took me over a year to build up confidence, and be happy in the knowledge that I could do it safely.
I don't care much for the "cool" factor that is being bickered about. It should be about a personal preference towards the art, not the perception from others.
I don't think people should withdraw pictures because of this discussion. I know that the huge amount of anonymous browsers, some of who who may not know much about Fire Arts will probably see them, but I do agree with enforcing as much of a guide as possible, and jam in as many warnings as possible towards the dangers towards people just like that.
They may be teetering on the verge of an interest in Fire Breathing and could just plunge right in there and end up seriously hurt. If your happy breathing after fully acknowleging(?) all dangers and effects upon yourself, then keep it safe and do it if you want, just don't advertise towards impressionable idiots.
Not saying that anyone does.
I've witnessed a meet with a bunch of kids playing with toys, and putting themselves in a lot of danger, also breathing all over the place, with obviously more experienced performers, just distancing themselves and ignoring them. A person is a person, a kid on fire, wether you know them or not is still terrible and a handy word of advice would not go amiss. Even if you feel stupid, It's still their fault for not boning up on the subject, no one is in any way obliged to put themselves out to inform someone what they should or should not be doing and what they should know, but be friendly and put them in the frame of mind to understand what they're doing could hurt them.
I like the attitude this thread has either put into peoples mind, or re-enforced what people have been saying for years.
Just another little "chime in with my 2 cents"....
Since I first picked up spinning/twirling/whatever few years ago, I've breathed fire three times and I didn't like it too much. I'd practiced without the fuel, read up about it, scouring HoP in the process and it took me over a year to build up confidence, and be happy in the knowledge that I could do it safely.
I don't care much for the "cool" factor that is being bickered about. It should be about a personal preference towards the art, not the perception from others.
I don't think people should withdraw pictures because of this discussion. I know that the huge amount of anonymous browsers, some of who who may not know much about Fire Arts will probably see them, but I do agree with enforcing as much of a guide as possible, and jam in as many warnings as possible towards the dangers towards people just like that.
They may be teetering on the verge of an interest in Fire Breathing and could just plunge right in there and end up seriously hurt. If your happy breathing after fully acknowleging(?) all dangers and effects upon yourself, then keep it safe and do it if you want, just don't advertise towards impressionable idiots.
Not saying that anyone does.
I've witnessed a meet with a bunch of kids playing with toys, and putting themselves in a lot of danger, also breathing all over the place, with obviously more experienced performers, just distancing themselves and ignoring them. A person is a person, a kid on fire, wether you know them or not is still terrible and a handy word of advice would not go amiss. Even if you feel stupid, It's still their fault for not boning up on the subject, no one is in any way obliged to put themselves out to inform someone what they should or should not be doing and what they should know, but be friendly and put them in the frame of mind to understand what they're doing could hurt them.
I like the attitude this thread has either put into peoples mind, or re-enforced what people have been saying for years.
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I think that a lot of people are inclined to leave them to it because they know from experience that, at best, their advice is likely to be unwelcome, and at worst, the people they're trying to help will be actively offensive in return.
To some extent it depends on the actual group, their mood, how many etc.
If you're confident about approaching them, and you can do so with a manner that's not going to provoke immediate reaction, then it's well worth doing so.
In my experience, when you've got a 14 year old actually fire breathing, with his approving family or friends gathered around, the best you're going to get is that you can pass on some facts and maybe give them a link to HOP so they can check the FAQs.
I think it's more feasible to be preventative by getting into conversations with people who may in the future think about fire breathing- eg new spinners at fire meets (young and old). And especially, when a youngsters parent/s around; it's pretty easy to steer the conversation towards fire breathing and its dangers.
One of the problems here is that the only people particularly aware of the dangers of fire breathing are a relatively small group of long term spinners. I've make it a priority when meeting people in a spinning connection, whether it's newbie spinners, community group organisers, parents of kids getting into these skills; to bring up the subject of breathing and throw in a mention of the fact that a lot of people have been killed/seriously injured doing it. Generally they're pretty surprised; people just do not know.
With some young people, it's made worse by the fact that they don't see danger in the way that we do; to them danger is 'cool'. Worrying about danger is 'uncool', 'wussy' etc (not all young people by any means).
Also the knee jerk reaction (seen also on most HOP threads on the subject) that to emphasise the dangers is seen as being critical of the art and as having overtones of authoritarianism.
For those of us who do feel that there is a real problem with fire breathing; it's a challenge to us to present our views in a way that doesn't cause those who could benefit to 'switch off'.
And we have to accept the fact that whatever you say to a bright-eyed, cocky, newbie youngster who's been blown away by seeing someone fire-breathing; who hasn't yet experienced seeing a friend go through hell cos they got it wrong: is not going to change their mind about learning it, or even convince them to take basic safety precautions.
Every year, some are going to be killed by it; some will be children.
IMO, one of the best things we can do is to simply get talking about it; all those people who've got no idea that there are deaths; let them know.
Written by: Seraphire
I've witnessed a meet with a bunch of kids playing with toys, and putting themselves in a lot of danger, also breathing all over the place, ................no one is in any way obliged to put themselves out to inform someone what they should or should not be doing and what they should know, but be friendly and put them in the frame of mind to understand what they're doing could hurt them.
I think that a lot of people are inclined to leave them to it because they know from experience that, at best, their advice is likely to be unwelcome, and at worst, the people they're trying to help will be actively offensive in return.
To some extent it depends on the actual group, their mood, how many etc.
If you're confident about approaching them, and you can do so with a manner that's not going to provoke immediate reaction, then it's well worth doing so.
In my experience, when you've got a 14 year old actually fire breathing, with his approving family or friends gathered around, the best you're going to get is that you can pass on some facts and maybe give them a link to HOP so they can check the FAQs.
I think it's more feasible to be preventative by getting into conversations with people who may in the future think about fire breathing- eg new spinners at fire meets (young and old). And especially, when a youngsters parent/s around; it's pretty easy to steer the conversation towards fire breathing and its dangers.
One of the problems here is that the only people particularly aware of the dangers of fire breathing are a relatively small group of long term spinners. I've make it a priority when meeting people in a spinning connection, whether it's newbie spinners, community group organisers, parents of kids getting into these skills; to bring up the subject of breathing and throw in a mention of the fact that a lot of people have been killed/seriously injured doing it. Generally they're pretty surprised; people just do not know.
With some young people, it's made worse by the fact that they don't see danger in the way that we do; to them danger is 'cool'. Worrying about danger is 'uncool', 'wussy' etc (not all young people by any means).
Also the knee jerk reaction (seen also on most HOP threads on the subject) that to emphasise the dangers is seen as being critical of the art and as having overtones of authoritarianism.
For those of us who do feel that there is a real problem with fire breathing; it's a challenge to us to present our views in a way that doesn't cause those who could benefit to 'switch off'.
And we have to accept the fact that whatever you say to a bright-eyed, cocky, newbie youngster who's been blown away by seeing someone fire-breathing; who hasn't yet experienced seeing a friend go through hell cos they got it wrong: is not going to change their mind about learning it, or even convince them to take basic safety precautions.
Every year, some are going to be killed by it; some will be children.
IMO, one of the best things we can do is to simply get talking about it; all those people who've got no idea that there are deaths; let them know.
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Posted:
there's waaay too much writing so i havent read all the above but surely if malcolm put a couple of pictures to demonstrate what the right way is and vice versa
and maybe some advice through pm'ing or something
there's waaay too much writing so i havent read all the above but surely if malcolm put a couple of pictures to demonstrate what the right way is and vice versa
and maybe some advice through pm'ing or something
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You know, all activities have risk. The best we can do is educate the public.
How many of you advocate drug legalization? Why would you advocate such a thing when drugs clearly are dangerous? The common argument, and one to which I subscribe is "people should be educated about the risks and then allowed to make their own decisions."
Quashing discussion and media regarding fire breathing is like running a "War on Fire Breathing." It's bound to be about as effective as a "War on Drugs" or a "War on Terror."
I will say one thing. Nobody's ever done a formal longitudinal cohort-based study on it, but I'd wager the danger from smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for several decades is probably FAR greater than the danger from breathing fire.
You know, all activities have risk. The best we can do is educate the public.
How many of you advocate drug legalization? Why would you advocate such a thing when drugs clearly are dangerous? The common argument, and one to which I subscribe is "people should be educated about the risks and then allowed to make their own decisions."
Quashing discussion and media regarding fire breathing is like running a "War on Fire Breathing." It's bound to be about as effective as a "War on Drugs" or a "War on Terror."
I will say one thing. Nobody's ever done a formal longitudinal cohort-based study on it, but I'd wager the danger from smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for several decades is probably FAR greater than the danger from breathing fire.
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ok i read some more and thought i had to add some stuff
i wanted to try fire breathing a while ago so i got some friends who had been doing it for a while to sit me down and go through it, they were very responsable, told me all the dangers
so i was "prepared", i took it all in and got started on techniques with water and custard powder
a few weeks later i tried with paraffin, it whent fine so every now and then i would do it
another few months after i had sort of stopped i started to develop some sort of gum disease
i stopped for good after that, id also like to thank the hop mods for working so hard to protect and warn people away from this art....
ok i read some more and thought i had to add some stuff
i wanted to try fire breathing a while ago so i got some friends who had been doing it for a while to sit me down and go through it, they were very responsable, told me all the dangers
so i was "prepared", i took it all in and got started on techniques with water and custard powder
a few weeks later i tried with paraffin, it whent fine so every now and then i would do it
another few months after i had sort of stopped i started to develop some sort of gum disease
i stopped for good after that, id also like to thank the hop mods for working so hard to protect and warn people away from this art....
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my sugestion is this.
if we are all feeling so strongly about making others so aware of the dangers that we add a simple line to our signatures.
now how many times will the article be linked accross the enire thread network of homeofpoi? if only a few people were to do this?
many UCOF alone will have thousands.... cantus over 10,000 links accross the board alone!... eeek all it takes is for a few people to do this and that way even the ghosts of hop will see the links andwonder what the hell is going on!.
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my sugestion is this.
if we are all feeling so strongly about making others so aware of the dangers that we add a simple line to our signatures.
now how many times will the article be linked accross the enire thread network of homeofpoi? if only a few people were to do this?
many UCOF alone will have thousands.... cantus over 10,000 links accross the board alone!... eeek all it takes is for a few people to do this and that way even the ghosts of hop will see the links andwonder what the hell is going on!.
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to bad the signature code disables linking.
to bad the signature code disables linking.
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ok so malcolm has links disabled in the signature code!... maybe he can fix it so that those like me can display this message in their sigs.
ok so malcolm has links disabled in the signature code!... maybe he can fix it so that those like me can display this message in their sigs.
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done and done
brilliant idea even if the link thing doesnt get sorted
done and done
brilliant idea even if the link thing doesnt get sorted
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snork...
you are being quite disruptive in this thread.
I feel that you are patrionising every sensible point that is being bought up by belittling it and making fun of it. (eg the dictionary game and asking for money etc etc)
prehaps if you dont have a point to make in regards to the topic you could partake in the social chat topics which are more lighthearted.
But Im sure you know that already hey snork?
snork...
you are being quite disruptive in this thread.
I feel that you are patrionising every sensible point that is being bought up by belittling it and making fun of it. (eg the dictionary game and asking for money etc etc)
prehaps if you dont have a point to make in regards to the topic you could partake in the social chat topics which are more lighthearted.
But Im sure you know that already hey snork?
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And they have levels of risk. There's a risk involved in driving a car resposibly- the risk is greatly increased if you drive while drunk, drive at excessive speeds, drive without a seatbelt etc.
Having 'safe' sex involves a risk (condoms can burst)- but nothing like the risk from having unprotected sex with multiple promiscous partners.
Similarly, any activity involving fire involves risk but, as Wild Child put it
Fire breathing is much more dangerous than other fire arts like spinning.
This thread is in no way advocating quashing discussion- it's been widely acknowledged that the discussion is very valuable. Discussing the possibility of high numbers of fire breathing photos in the members gallery promoting the activity is not what I'd call a "War on Fire Breathing."
Maybe so; but what's your point? Take any activity- however dangerous it is there's always going to be a more dangerous one still; what bearing does that have on the wisdom of performing the first activity?
Lastly: -
An example of the value of this thread, and all the other threads where the negatives of fire breathing have been argued over; much as these threads usually end up annoying a minority, it's indisputable that many, many people on HOP have been put off learning to fire breathe as a direct result of them.
Written by: ...Lightning...
You know, all activities have risk. The best we can do is educate the public.
And they have levels of risk. There's a risk involved in driving a car resposibly- the risk is greatly increased if you drive while drunk, drive at excessive speeds, drive without a seatbelt etc.
Having 'safe' sex involves a risk (condoms can burst)- but nothing like the risk from having unprotected sex with multiple promiscous partners.
Similarly, any activity involving fire involves risk but, as Wild Child put it
Written by: Wild Child
- the risks are altogether different to other fire toys and performance - so I'll be discouraging him from doing it again.
Fire breathing is much more dangerous than other fire arts like spinning.
Written by: ...Lightning...
Quashing discussion and media regarding fire breathing is like running a "War on Fire Breathing." It's bound to be about as effective as a "War on Drugs" or a "War on Terror."
This thread is in no way advocating quashing discussion- it's been widely acknowledged that the discussion is very valuable. Discussing the possibility of high numbers of fire breathing photos in the members gallery promoting the activity is not what I'd call a "War on Fire Breathing."
Written by: ...Lightning...
I will say one thing. Nobody's ever done a formal longitudinal cohort-based study on it, but I'd wager the danger from smoking a pack of cigarettes a day for several decades is probably FAR greater than the danger from breathing fire.
Maybe so; but what's your point? Take any activity- however dangerous it is there's always going to be a more dangerous one still; what bearing does that have on the wisdom of performing the first activity?
Lastly: -
Written by: Wild Child
It was only a few weeks ago I found out how toxic it was and now I'm hearing about lungs and shiznit.
Written by: nearly_all_gone
Personally, it's this site that made me reconsider fire breathing.........
An example of the value of this thread, and all the other threads where the negatives of fire breathing have been argued over; much as these threads usually end up annoying a minority, it's indisputable that many, many people on HOP have been put off learning to fire breathe as a direct result of them.
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thanks malcolm for sorting out the sig links!
thanks malcolm for sorting out the sig links!
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Posted:
onewheeldave, i couldnt agree more, when i started doing fire twirling i must admit i thought about fire breathing, thankfully i was smart enough to reseach it first. i got to this site and started reading articles and disscussions, like this one, telling me about all the dangers and long term effects, and have since been firmly turned away from it. im not saying that the pictures should be banned, because i like to see them, i will agree that warnings should be attached to them like the autolink when ever you type fire breathing . i also agree with you point on the levels of risk, if done properly it can be quite a sight (as i saw in that link to pyromancer a bit further up). but if dont wrongly it can go as far as killing people. unfortunatly there are going to be kids seeing fire breathing and without thinking, giving it a go, underage kids do the same with smoking and drinking alchohol (im underage and have drank alcholhol a few times), sadly, it happens. banning the pictures might stop a small minority, but it will always anger another minority, thats how things are. what needs to be put foward is the education of the art of fire breathing , yes its dangerous and yes it can kill, but as somebody else said (sorry cant remember who it was) not everyone knows the risks.
Pk im am definatly with you on the signature thing. you make an extremely valid point on others seeing our warnings, and if that helps a few people realise the dangers of fire breathing before jumping in head first, i am with you.
onewheeldave, i couldnt agree more, when i started doing fire twirling i must admit i thought about fire breathing, thankfully i was smart enough to reseach it first. i got to this site and started reading articles and disscussions, like this one, telling me about all the dangers and long term effects, and have since been firmly turned away from it. im not saying that the pictures should be banned, because i like to see them, i will agree that warnings should be attached to them like the autolink when ever you type fire breathing . i also agree with you point on the levels of risk, if done properly it can be quite a sight (as i saw in that link to pyromancer a bit further up). but if dont wrongly it can go as far as killing people. unfortunatly there are going to be kids seeing fire breathing and without thinking, giving it a go, underage kids do the same with smoking and drinking alchohol (im underage and have drank alcholhol a few times), sadly, it happens. banning the pictures might stop a small minority, but it will always anger another minority, thats how things are. what needs to be put foward is the education of the art of fire breathing , yes its dangerous and yes it can kill, but as somebody else said (sorry cant remember who it was) not everyone knows the risks.
Pk im am definatly with you on the signature thing. you make an extremely valid point on others seeing our warnings, and if that helps a few people realise the dangers of fire breathing before jumping in head first, i am with you.
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Posted:
I have never fire breathed, and I dont plan on doing it.
I have never really wanted to do it, but it wasnt for the risk factor, as I didnt know there was risks, it was for other reasons.
When I came on hop I looked through all the articles and saw the dangers of fire breathing, I read over the list a few times and remembered as much as I could... and I am glad I did this, as I have been having conversations with people about spinning and they will mention Breathing, and I will have a conversation with them about the dangers of it... most people I know who have done it, didnt realise there were dangers to it, as many of them had never been in contact with any fire arts before, they went to a party and saw someone doing it and decided to try it... bad idea.
Unfortunatly so many people want to try Fire Breathing as they see people doing it, and think "wow, this is entertaining, I want to try" and many of them do. All we can really do is warn them, and educate them on the dangers, we cant say "DONT DO IT" as this makes people want to do it more.
Tell me how to make links in my signiture, and how to make a signiture, and I will join you guys in your warnings.
I have never fire breathed, and I dont plan on doing it.
I have never really wanted to do it, but it wasnt for the risk factor, as I didnt know there was risks, it was for other reasons.
When I came on hop I looked through all the articles and saw the dangers of fire breathing, I read over the list a few times and remembered as much as I could... and I am glad I did this, as I have been having conversations with people about spinning and they will mention Breathing, and I will have a conversation with them about the dangers of it... most people I know who have done it, didnt realise there were dangers to it, as many of them had never been in contact with any fire arts before, they went to a party and saw someone doing it and decided to try it... bad idea.
Unfortunatly so many people want to try Fire Breathing as they see people doing it, and think "wow, this is entertaining, I want to try" and many of them do. All we can really do is warn them, and educate them on the dangers, we cant say "DONT DO IT" as this makes people want to do it more.
Tell me how to make links in my signiture, and how to make a signiture, and I will join you guys in your warnings.
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Posted:
Concerning the sig link-
Educate your self in the arts of Fire BreathingSTAY SAFE!
I have some reservations about the wording.
Looking at it from the perspective of conveying info- anyone who's designed flyers, webpages etc knows the principles of highlighting (with font size, colours, headings) parts of the text that sum-up what's being said; for many readers those bits will be the only thing that they take in.
From an advertising perspective- again you're guiding the viewer to a concise 'bite' that sells your product. Another principle is that you get your product in everyones face, as much as possible. If the adverts annoying, all the better, cos then your product is even more on their mind.
With the current signature, the immediate focus is on 'Fire Breathing', highlighted in red. Thousands of newbies to the board, many of whom probably had no thought whatsoever about breathing are now going to be seeing the phrase multiple times on every thread.
If they do read it, it looks like a promo for educating themselves in the arts of fire breathing. If they follow the link it'll all become clear, but many won't.
Would it not be better to put 'educate yourself in the dangers of fire breathing', cos that's what you're actually wanting to achieve.
ie your 'product' isn't 'the arts of fire breathing'; it's 'the dangers of fire breathing'.
And then, to stop that highlighted message 'fire breathing' being all that the casual glance takes away, why not highlight the 'dangers of..' as well.
Lastly, I think we need to be careful about the 'danger' part; there's an element out there who equate danger with status- we could unintentionally be promoting fire breathing by pushing that aspect.
Maybe it would be better to use 'Hazards' instead; the reasoning being that, to some, 'danger'='cool' (and therefore desirable), whereas 'Hazard' is health and safety talk- there's nothing 'cool' about health and safety talk
That way, when Mr '16 years-old and totally uninvincable, danger-loving, ass-kicking, king-of-fear, uncrowned Jedi of fire' wanders in and sees these links, hopefully he/she will be less inclined to see breathing as the art that all the 'oldies' are scared of and therefore as something to learn it to get kudos from his peer group
So, that would give:-
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire BreathingSTAY SAFE!
Don't mean to be critical, I think the ideas sound, I'm just suggesting some modifications- feel free to discuss/critisise.
Written by: pk ....:™
thanks malcolm for sorting out the sig links!
Concerning the sig link-
Educate your self in the arts of Fire Breathing
STAY SAFE! I have some reservations about the wording.
Looking at it from the perspective of conveying info- anyone who's designed flyers, webpages etc knows the principles of highlighting (with font size, colours, headings) parts of the text that sum-up what's being said; for many readers those bits will be the only thing that they take in.
From an advertising perspective- again you're guiding the viewer to a concise 'bite' that sells your product. Another principle is that you get your product in everyones face, as much as possible. If the adverts annoying, all the better, cos then your product is even more on their mind.
With the current signature, the immediate focus is on 'Fire Breathing', highlighted in red. Thousands of newbies to the board, many of whom probably had no thought whatsoever about breathing are now going to be seeing the phrase multiple times on every thread.
If they do read it, it looks like a promo for educating themselves in the arts of fire breathing. If they follow the link it'll all become clear, but many won't.
Would it not be better to put 'educate yourself in the dangers of fire breathing', cos that's what you're actually wanting to achieve.
ie your 'product' isn't 'the arts of fire breathing'; it's 'the dangers of fire breathing'.
And then, to stop that highlighted message 'fire breathing' being all that the casual glance takes away, why not highlight the 'dangers of..' as well.
Lastly, I think we need to be careful about the 'danger' part; there's an element out there who equate danger with status- we could unintentionally be promoting fire breathing by pushing that aspect.
Maybe it would be better to use 'Hazards' instead; the reasoning being that, to some, 'danger'='cool' (and therefore desirable), whereas 'Hazard' is health and safety talk- there's nothing 'cool' about health and safety talk
That way, when Mr '16 years-old and totally uninvincable, danger-loving, ass-kicking, king-of-fear, uncrowned Jedi of fire' wanders in and sees these links, hopefully he/she will be less inclined to see breathing as the art that all the 'oldies' are scared of and therefore as something to learn it to get kudos from his peer group
So, that would give:-
Educate your self in the Hazards of Fire Breathing
STAY SAFE! Don't mean to be critical, I think the ideas sound, I'm just suggesting some modifications- feel free to discuss/critisise.
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But you can make the Bastard work for it."
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"Last of The Lancers"
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Posted:
extremly well pointed out dave.
please excuse my late night tiredness posting!. lol
*done and changed sig*
extremly well pointed out dave.
please excuse my late night tiredness posting!. lol
*done and changed sig*
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Posted:
That Link in the Sig is a very good idea, and the revised version is a little more clear.
That Link in the Sig is a very good idea, and the revised version is a little more clear.
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Posted:
This sure is a passionate thread, and IMHO,,no, I don't think this website glamorizes fire breathing,, but some of the member pics do. People are going to try this regardless of the dangers , after all it sure looks impressive, which is the reason for doing it in the first place... isn't it?
Anybody who spends anytime at all on this site can't help but come across the articles on safety, I found Pele's article two years ago, and I'm not even interested in doing this. I think Malcolm has done the community a great service by having those two words automatically highlighted, and banning pics isn't going to change anything.
But I have to ask all you experienced fire breathers out there, Why did you try it in the first place? Was info. concerning the hazards not available?? Or was it a case of " it won't happen to me?" If you had to do it all over again, given what you know now, would you have tried it in the first place? Judging by the posts,,,I think not
This sure is a passionate thread, and IMHO,,no, I don't think this website glamorizes fire breathing,, but some of the member pics do. People are going to try this regardless of the dangers , after all it sure looks impressive, which is the reason for doing it in the first place... isn't it?
Anybody who spends anytime at all on this site can't help but come across the articles on safety, I found Pele's article two years ago, and I'm not even interested in doing this. I think Malcolm has done the community a great service by having those two words automatically highlighted, and banning pics isn't going to change anything.
But I have to ask all you experienced fire breathers out there, Why did you try it in the first place? Was info. concerning the hazards not available?? Or was it a case of " it won't happen to me?" If you had to do it all over again, given what you know now, would you have tried it in the first place? Judging by the posts,,,I think not
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Posted:
I dont ever recall any real decent information on fire breathing and the hazards almost 4 years ago when i first breathed.
I must admit to my own self that i was stupid for doing so, but i performed for a living 3 years ago, i did a hell of a lot of clubs accross the UK with 14 other performers.
I gained my information from experiences and talks with colleagues.
We allways worked with safety where there was fire breathing, but... but not always.
It wasn't until pele had her accident, 2 other hop members, one of my colleagues, one of my best mates.... all ended up in hospital with serious injuries all around the same period.
doing up to 20 fires shows every weekend for a year... my back teeth now suffer with them... i hada narrow escape once with the wind and burnt my face on a private gig.
i no longer work as a performer, i no longer do any fire, it has been over a year and a half since i last twirled, last breathed and i regret nothing what so ever because i know that with all i have done, learnt i have the knowledgte and all i can do now is educate and share my learnings and experiences with others.
[i really like the progression and ideas contained in this thread, thansk guys]
I dont ever recall any real decent information on fire breathing and the hazards almost 4 years ago when i first breathed.
I must admit to my own self that i was stupid for doing so, but i performed for a living 3 years ago, i did a hell of a lot of clubs accross the UK with 14 other performers.
I gained my information from experiences and talks with colleagues.
We allways worked with safety where there was fire breathing, but... but not always.
It wasn't until pele had her accident, 2 other hop members, one of my colleagues, one of my best mates.... all ended up in hospital with serious injuries all around the same period.
doing up to 20 fires shows every weekend for a year... my back teeth now suffer with them... i hada narrow escape once with the wind and burnt my face on a private gig.
i no longer work as a performer, i no longer do any fire, it has been over a year and a half since i last twirled, last breathed and i regret nothing what so ever because i know that with all i have done, learnt i have the knowledgte and all i can do now is educate and share my learnings and experiences with others.
[i really like the progression and ideas contained in this thread, thansk guys]
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Posted:
[Old link]
[Old link]
[Old link]
any one that is following this thread that isnt quite as old as some of us in registration scale then you may not remember these threads that touched us so much about the hazards, and these were good people too, can happen to the best of us.
luckily all three are still alive and with us still.
[Old link]
[Old link]
[Old link]
any one that is following this thread that isnt quite as old as some of us in registration scale then you may not remember these threads that touched us so much about the hazards, and these were good people too, can happen to the best of us.
luckily all three are still alive and with us still.
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