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One of my favorite swinging club moves is the 'snake' family. (did that sound rude?
)
This move group achieves isolations with the club by using the elbow as a rotation point.
Snakes are difficult to perform with poi, and this I feel has led to the elbow being nearly 'forgotten'.
The simplest body joint to form your 'circles' from is your wrist - easy. Next is your shoulders, which requires a lot of body control, but opens up a lot of moves.
By nature the elbow is not as easy. The physical structure of the joint (basically a hinge) makes things much trickier.
However, with contorsion, turning, and heaps of practice, it can be a very versatile centre point for circles.
I won't go into painful detail, but I dare say....
Every single move group in your range could be massively 'funked up'.
Massively.
Jo.
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One of my favorite swinging club moves is the 'snake' family. (did that sound rude?
)This move group achieves isolations with the club by using the elbow as a rotation point.
Snakes are difficult to perform with poi, and this I feel has led to the elbow being nearly 'forgotten'.
The simplest body joint to form your 'circles' from is your wrist - easy. Next is your shoulders, which requires a lot of body control, but opens up a lot of moves.
By nature the elbow is not as easy. The physical structure of the joint (basically a hinge) makes things much trickier.
However, with contorsion, turning, and heaps of practice, it can be a very versatile centre point for circles.
I won't go into painful detail, but I dare say....
Every single move group in your range could be massively 'funked up'.
Massively.
Jo.
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Posted:
I wouldnt say "entirely unexplored" as Ive been working on some snake type maneuvers and elbow movement as of late. It is, however, very young and I think people are still trying to work on things before they become public domain, if you will.
I wouldnt say "entirely unexplored" as Ive been working on some snake type maneuvers and elbow movement as of late. It is, however, very young and I think people are still trying to work on things before they become public domain, if you will.
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Ur... yeah just 'nearly entirely' didn't sound as catchy eh?...
you gotta admit Icon, there be monsters.
Jo.
Ur... yeah just 'nearly entirely' didn't sound as catchy eh?...
you gotta admit Icon, there be monsters.
Jo.
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Posted:
Hmm.. Do I repeat myself?
More on topic I reckon.
Well every since Josh taught me club snakes I've been trying to do these with poi. I have the first half almost down. Turning may help I reckon?
As PoiboxII pointed out (somewhere else?) you need to change from hand leading isolation to head leading isolation (I think?)
(And Spinning to Gabba..... Try spinning to Slayer!)
Much nice stuff 
Hmm.. Do I repeat myself?
More on topic I reckon.Well every since Josh taught me club snakes I've been trying to do these with poi. I have the first half almost down. Turning may help I reckon?
As PoiboxII pointed out (somewhere else?) you need to change from hand leading isolation to head leading isolation (I think?)
(And Spinning to Gabba..... Try spinning to Slayer!)
Much nice stuff
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True that, Jo.
I finally got my vid camera back on Friday so perhaps (PERHAPS!
) Ill get around to capturing some new stuff for everyone including what I can do of snakes.
True that, Jo.
I finally got my vid camera back on Friday so perhaps (PERHAPS!
) Ill get around to capturing some new stuff for everyone including what I can do of snakes. Let's turn those old bridges we crossed into ashes.
We'll blaze a new trail,
and torch the rough patches.
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And hip snakes would be madness with poi
https://www.semlyen.net/cosmosjugglers/lib/lesson15.pdf
And hip snakes would be madness with poi
https://www.semlyen.net/cosmosjugglers/lib/lesson15.pdf
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Posted:
Ok..
snakes = isolations.
I'm talkin' baby flowers, getting the shoulders involved - the human body as a vast array of strange physics. Antispin here, there... bla.
Also, simply using the elbows to achieve reliable 'medium' sized circles.
True snakes (isolations) also go absolutely everywhere. They will also mesh beautifully. Just the tip of the iceburg though...
Jo.
Slayer? madman. dnb actually makes me wiggle the most y'know. But gabba keeps you fit.
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Ok..
snakes = isolations.
I'm talkin' baby flowers, getting the shoulders involved - the human body as a vast array of strange physics. Antispin here, there... bla.
Also, simply using the elbows to achieve reliable 'medium' sized circles.
True snakes (isolations) also go absolutely everywhere. They will also mesh beautifully. Just the tip of the iceburg though...
Jo.
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dnb actually makes me wiggle the most y'know. But gabba keeps you fit. EDITED_BY: Jo (1110844692)
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When my elbows pop out of their sockets I'm blaming you Jo.
When my elbows pop out of their sockets I'm blaming you Jo.
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Badass man.
That shizzle is crazy, i can only get it in certain places, but i get why ud have to iso it. Can anyone here actually prove that can perform it "continous" like flowers? Or is this thread about opening minds?
Badass man.
That shizzle is crazy, i can only get it in certain places, but i get why ud have to iso it. Can anyone here actually prove that can perform it "continous" like flowers? Or is this thread about opening minds?
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haha thanks Dragon. lol
opening minds.
hence the vaigue, yet forceful, terminology
I've got no time for this stuff, or flexibility...
But I KNOW it's there man. It's deffinitely there.
Jo.
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haha thanks Dragon. lol
opening minds.
hence the vaigue, yet forceful, terminology
I've got no time for this stuff, or flexibility...
But I KNOW it's there man. It's deffinitely there.
Jo.
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i do quite a few elbow circles.
but not snaked, just regular.
hip snakes with poi go all cone-like and are even harder than shoulder snakes.
i can do half decent shoulder snakes on one side with poi - the bonus being that as they don't physically sit on your arm, no throw off is required - you can just run them continually.
but they look quite different to club snakes as these with poi are effectively a point isolation about your elbow.
which is impossible.
the head is past my elbow for poi snakes but the isolation point is damn close...
elbows fit in perfectly with level 2 poi - its all about the spirals...
cole. x
i do quite a few elbow circles.
but not snaked, just regular.
hip snakes with poi go all cone-like and are even harder than shoulder snakes.
i can do half decent shoulder snakes on one side with poi - the bonus being that as they don't physically sit on your arm, no throw off is required - you can just run them continually.
but they look quite different to club snakes as these with poi are effectively a point isolation about your elbow.
which is impossible.
the head is past my elbow for poi snakes but the isolation point is damn close...
elbows fit in perfectly with level 2 poi - its all about the spirals...
cole. x
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Posted:
hold on,
jo is jo derry innit!
wow, elbows must be exciting to drag you away from flashy electrical things!
i think ill have a go after ive learnt five balls....
so another year then..
T
hold on,
jo is jo derry innit!
wow, elbows must be exciting to drag you away from flashy electrical things!
i think ill have a go after ive learnt five balls....
so another year then..
T
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Wall plane poi spinning CCW, when the poi are parallel to your arm move your elbow upwards and turn 180 degrees and you can then bring your elbow back down with the poi still parallel to your forearm. I do some stuff like that, not hugely well yet I admit
Wall plane poi spinning CCW, when the poi are parallel to your arm move your elbow upwards and turn 180 degrees and you can then bring your elbow back down with the poi still parallel to your forearm. I do some stuff like that, not hugely well yet I admit
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Outward low reels at the centre at the elbow...easy peasy. Sweet to mix it all up with different centers.
Inward is opposit and same.
Keep the same center point but move it. Upper arm parallel to ground back on wrist facing forwards.
together.
The first 2 aren't that hard but I can't see it as possible with armverticle though.
Outward low reels at the centre at the elbow...easy peasy. Sweet to mix it all up with different centers.
Inward is opposit and same.
Keep the same center point but move it. Upper arm parallel to ground back on wrist facing forwards.
together.
The first 2 aren't that hard but I can't see it as possible with armverticle though.
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Posted:
i can see the ideas behind the elbow ideas (flowers within flowers etc...) and honestly, it all sounds really good and will open several doors. the only question is outside of some flower variations and elbow pins (shok reference) what can be done?
aslo, nice to see Jo and Kael here ^__^
i can see the ideas behind the elbow ideas (flowers within flowers etc...) and honestly, it all sounds really good and will open several doors. the only question is outside of some flower variations and elbow pins (shok reference) what can be done?
aslo, nice to see Jo and Kael here ^__^
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Hi Jo,
I think you have just prevented an epidemic of elbow atrophy. Dunno about unexplored though, as I seem to remember enjoying some great work in v kato
Elbows? I use the elbow as a pivot point (hinge) for figure eights in wall plane. I was having trouble with inward figure eights because I wasn’t getting enough shoulder roll in-front of the hips before going behind. This became evident when I looked at my elbow, um.
I had a go at snakes with poi, and I learned there are at least two isolation points
You can isolate at the club/poi end or in the centre. With club snakes the isolation is the centre of the long axis of the club.
The trick with club snakes is to get two circles in-front of the shoulder. I start by “folding” down, around the elbow to come in-front for the shoulder snake. Then when the club is vertical, you twist the wrist outwards to get the second circle. The club nearly touches your nose twice See Jillings shoulder snakes.
I really like funky elbows deepsoulsheep style
But you could also try: 1. Lower back circles with elbow as centre, instead of hand. 2. Use belly button to centre elbows, then swap arm in front with arm behind, also for butterflies. 3. “The old chestnut” in either wall or side plane. Try side plane, and swing long arm circles, then long arm circle to hand circle, to elbow circle, to long arm circle. 4. Use elbows to turn, change direction etc.
cheers
Hi Jo,
I think you have just prevented an epidemic of elbow atrophy. Dunno about unexplored though, as I seem to remember enjoying some great work in v kato
Elbows? I use the elbow as a pivot point (hinge) for figure eights in wall plane. I was having trouble with inward figure eights because I wasn’t getting enough shoulder roll in-front of the hips before going behind. This became evident when I looked at my elbow, um.
I had a go at snakes with poi, and I learned there are at least two isolation points
You can isolate at the club/poi end or in the centre. With club snakes the isolation is the centre of the long axis of the club. The trick with club snakes is to get two circles in-front of the shoulder. I start by “folding” down, around the elbow to come in-front for the shoulder snake. Then when the club is vertical, you twist the wrist outwards to get the second circle. The club nearly touches your nose twice
See Jillings shoulder snakes. I really like funky elbows deepsoulsheep style
But you could also try: 1. Lower back circles with elbow as centre, instead of hand. 2. Use belly button to centre elbows, then swap arm in front with arm behind, also for butterflies. 3. “The old chestnut” in either wall or side plane. Try side plane, and swing long arm circles, then long arm circle to hand circle, to elbow circle, to long arm circle. 4. Use elbows to turn, change direction etc. cheers
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Stone lol nice ideas man
haha, I used my elbows then? They must have gone rusty or somit'
Asakura,
The reason this is all so vaigue (I know it can be frustrating... ), is that it's more than just a move or two.
Imagine you are spinning with 2 rotation points (like normal), your moves will use:
wrists
shoulders
shoulders, wrists. (flowers, stalls....)
Now add elbows to the mix...
your moves (within reason) are now available using:
wrists
shoulders
elbows
shoulders, elbows
elbows, wrists
shoulders, wrists
AND theres the added insanity of combining all three for an unexplored domain of moves.
too vast for detail.... just play
Jo.
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Stone lol nice ideas man
haha, I used my elbows then? They must have gone rusty or somit'
Asakura,
The reason this is all so vaigue (I know it can be frustrating...
), is that it's more than just a move or two.Imagine you are spinning with 2 rotation points (like normal), your moves will use:
wrists
shoulders
shoulders, wrists. (flowers, stalls....)
Now add elbows to the mix...
your moves (within reason) are now available using:
wrists
shoulders
elbows
shoulders, elbows
elbows, wrists
shoulders, wrists
AND theres the added insanity of combining all three for an unexplored domain of moves.
too vast for detail.... just play
Jo.
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wow...that is confusing, but i see where your going and i do agree that this will open many more doors for new tricks anbd stlye etc...lol, and after we get thsi lts try it with our kneew pits ^__^
wow...that is confusing, but i see where your going and i do agree that this will open many more doors for new tricks anbd stlye etc...lol, and after we get thsi lts try it with our kneew pits ^__^
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this sounds really sweet. so this is an isolation from the elbow..? sounds real yum and nice (just like rainbow drops). would imagine doing the same thing with the shoulder, ie when ccw wall-plane, hand by hip. when poi head reaches shoulder, rotate shoulder forward-up, turning cw to complete a full circle of rotation.. doing it with 2 poi would look so sexy..
ps what happened to your old avatar..? that was real cool (not that this one isn't real cool, too, but... you know..?)
this thread is fantastic.
inspiration rules!
thanks...!
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Wall plane poi spinning CCW, when the poi are parallel to your arm move your elbow upwards and turn 180 degrees and you can then bring your elbow back down with the poi still parallel to your forearm. I do some stuff like that, not hugely well yet I admit
this sounds really sweet. so this is an isolation from the elbow..? sounds real yum and nice (just like rainbow drops). would imagine doing the same thing with the shoulder, ie when ccw wall-plane, hand by hip. when poi head reaches shoulder, rotate shoulder forward-up, turning cw to complete a full circle of rotation..
ps what happened to your old avatar..? that was real cool (not that this one isn't real cool, too, but... you know..?)
this thread is fantastic.
inspiration rules!
thanks...!
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Well ImmortalAngel changed it to the same thing I had and so I eventually got round to changing it to something else
Well ImmortalAngel changed it to the same thing I had and so I eventually got round to changing it to something else
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i can think of other unexplored places to do center points for circles! but i wont add this to the thread lol
i can think of other unexplored places to do center points for circles! but i wont add this to the thread lol
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