Forums > Beginner Staff Moves > weave with staffs spinning opposite ways

Posted: 20th Feb 2002
or morning as it were. hmm,i'm gonna go practice. i can throw and catch my strong hand consistently while maintaining the beat of the weak one buuutthere needs to be that mental leap to letting both go...cheerso-o

Posted: 21st Feb 2002
Hi 0-0,I'm not talking about throws, I'm talking about a 2 beat weave (like poi but with staffs) but the left hand is going reverse rotors and the right is doing forward rotors.Hope this clears things up.TEMPEST

Posted: 21st Feb 2002
Does this mean I can name my new move?I think I would like to call it the sellafield seagull cos it looks like it got four wings when viewed from the front although it is still a little wonky.

Posted: 21st Feb 2002
yo,sounds tres cool. WTF is TTN tho, sorry, not really up on the terminology, and also, dosnt it say up there that you shouldent use abreviations? always puzzled me that one. n'way....more info please? Nix

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Posted: 21st Feb 2002
Sorry Nix, please excuse the poiisms but it is the only way I can describe it at the moment. I was hoping other poiers might do staff and have had the same 'feeling' of theTTN (Thread the needle, there is an animation inthe poi lessons)Got the mirrors today and I think if I could keep everything perfectly parallel it would look like the four winged butterfly - bit of drunken butterfy at the moment but it does feel great to come out of this into a basic groove.Gonna try leaning around and see if I can straighten it up but they have to split up a bit (one high and one low) if your gonna exit - yes?Sorry Nix, I know you like doubles but I really think poi could help inform staff and vice versa. Apart from the 'ends' being at different angles - oh yeah and doubles staff has twice as much fire! TEMPEST

Posted: 21st Feb 2002
tres cool. ROFLreminds me of a George Carlin bit.

I smell something burning.

Posted: 21st Feb 2002
Hey Tempest. You coming to Sheffield on Saturday for Poi in the Park 3? I'm bringing fire for a public outing - rare for me.

Meh

Posted: 22nd Feb 2002
Yep yep yep yep!

Posted: 22nd Feb 2002
OK, done a little more practice and managed to get it going to my left and right and it definatley feels like turning a thread the needle.Only difference is you cant turn 360's and keep the butterfly going cos you got to split up the staffs.Any help on where to take it next?TEMPEST

Posted: 22nd Feb 2002
oh. sorry - you had me well confused. uh well i still am, but i will try it anywaythankso-o

Posted: 2nd Mar 2002
ok, to add in more poiisms, everyone know what a burn the nose is? its a butterfly inside the arms, now to translate that to staff...take a staff in one hand and on a plane parallel to the one that extends from your nose, start it going forward, now it will come inside your arm for one full rotation, then one rotation on the outside of the arm, continue doing this...now take another staff in opposite hand, and do it the opposite way...and bam, you have a butterfly with staff, and its damn cool, and, umm, yeah...

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Posted: 4th Mar 2002
Hey Whiffle,Yeah, there are quite a few variations to create a butterfly. I have been playing around with this lots recently and if you 'wrap' a staff on the opposite arm you can groove from a 2beat weave to a butterfly weave (I still prefer Sellafield seagull)without seperating the staffs. Not smooth at the moment and I'm using light polycarbonate staffs so I don't smash my arms up. Dawny, my double staffing other half, has been experimenting with continuous fingerspins while moving the staffs around and a couple that look like 'burning the nose' or 'buzzsaw', then flourishing them behind - only thing is, her posture looks a bit stretched to make room for the staffs in front. Needless to say we have some ninja fast cutie 2 1/2 foot staffs/staves ordered Still can't take this seagull anywhere so I started chucking a staff over or under the other to progress. Not bad but certainly not consistent. Anyone?TEMPEST

Posted: 4th Mar 2002
still perplexed...are you doing a buterfly on one side of the body and then the other?N

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Posted: 4th Mar 2002
God damn, been doing that seabird move for ages, if I had a known it was as yet undiscovered I woulda named it ages ago Have u tried doing it while spinning round in continuous 360s, that looks pretty cool.

Trying to play the Akashic records,
but my turntables not compatible.

Posted: 5th Mar 2002
Hi Nix, yeah, if you switch from left to right it looks like your turning a butterfl with four short poi.Hi jester, I got some 360's going on and coming out of this move creates loads of possibilities but...is it possible to keep this butterfly going while you move around and doing 360's - at the moment I have to split the staffs up to turn. Please tell me if anyone can keep turning the seagull thing like butterflies with poi as it doing my head in. Still waiting for my little staffs but how big can you go with a seagull? How long are you're staffs jester? Is it possible with a couple of five footers if you do it in follow time? Questions - ahhhhhhhh, please help me!

Posted: 5th Mar 2002
yo,think I got the seagull idea but it seems really crap and clumsy, but im moving both together, also trying to put shoulder rolls in so you get 3 'beats' of each butterfly. feels really awkward.N

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Posted: 6th Mar 2002
My doubles staffs are 1 m, with the staff butterfly I can't think of any way to spin around without separating them, when they are in front or behind your body at the same time; but (this also relates to another current thread 'help with 5 beat weave (doubles staff)') when I was refering to spining in contiuous 360s I meant, if your doing 2 forwards 3 beat weaves they look like a butterfly except 1 staff is behind your back while the other is in front.hope this helps, if not I'll try to think of a more clear and concise way to put it into words. cheers

Trying to play the Akashic records,
but my turntables not compatible.

Posted: 6th Mar 2002
shit I just realized that it goes back to 2 beat once you've spun round 180 and then it can go back to 3 beat after another 180 spin.poi and words leave me

Trying to play the Akashic records,
but my turntables not compatible.

Posted: 12th Mar 2002
if the seagull is what i think it is then the easy way to make it symmetrical is to do a snake with the hand coming underneath......so now i'm off to try the same with reverse snakes also with my newly rewicked babies....

brain replacement...anyone?

Posted: 12th Mar 2002
I've been doing TTN with doubles. I use fingerspin rotors to acheive it. Left hand = anti clockwise, righthand = clockwise. I also do BTN/buzzsaw with fingerspins. Something similar to the butterfly (but not, it seems, Tempest's version), and Low Wave.BTB fingerspin rotors are quite good, I find. As are fingerspin helicopters in front of my body. You can move these round and change the plane very easily.Most of my recent staff moves have been based on stuff I've seen Sy and Spiral doing with poi.[This message has been edited by Cantus (edited 13 March 2002).]

Meh