Forums > Social Discussion > what if the UK ghettoed and walled up ireland at the height of the IRA violence. Would it resemble what israel is doing?
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This is a hypothetical conversation, If the UK used similar tactics to israel to deal with the IRA, how would the world accept it? Im guessing with crippling sanctions and perhaps intervention, Maybe the response wouldn't be so drastic, but I doubt their would be as much support for the UK as their is for Israel. I always wonder why comparisons aren't drawn between the two conflicts more often. The irish not having a history of being treated well throughout history, have endured nothing like the palestinians have endured. Why the double standard, does it boil down to simple racism?
I believe so.
This is a hypothetical conversation, If the UK used similar tactics to israel to deal with the IRA, how would the world accept it? Im guessing with crippling sanctions and perhaps intervention, Maybe the response wouldn't be so drastic, but I doubt their would be as much support for the UK as their is for Israel. I always wonder why comparisons aren't drawn between the two conflicts more often. The irish not having a history of being treated well throughout history, have endured nothing like the palestinians have endured. Why the double standard, does it boil down to simple racism?
I believe so.
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Location: USA
Posted:
I think it might be less racism and more personal interest, though as yet I don't think we can really know what that is.
American politicians have been saying things like "if mexico attacked us like hamas attacked israel we'd blow em to hell."
For one thing I think that just shows the errors of our bomb happy ways, but how would we feel if we were the Palestinians?
I am disturbed by the violence regardlss of which side it's from but I think it is absolutely horrid that people refuse to accept that Palestinians have suffered.
I think it might be less racism and more personal interest, though as yet I don't think we can really know what that is.
American politicians have been saying things like "if mexico attacked us like hamas attacked israel we'd blow em to hell."
For one thing I think that just shows the errors of our bomb happy ways, but how would we feel if we were the Palestinians?
I am disturbed by the violence regardlss of which side it's from but I think it is absolutely horrid that people refuse to accept that Palestinians have suffered.
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Still wiggling
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Location: Belfast, Northern Ireland (UK)
Posted:
Links between the Palestinian cause, and Irish one are drawn often... over here, anyways... maybe not globally.
At the end of the day, the only thing the conflict in Northern Ireland taught anyone was that violence doesn't get you anywhere, and peaceful negotiations are the only way forward.
Some politicians in the US have yet to learn this too
Links between the Palestinian cause, and Irish one are drawn often... over here, anyways... maybe not globally.
At the end of the day, the only thing the conflict in Northern Ireland taught anyone was that violence doesn't get you anywhere, and peaceful negotiations are the only way forward.
Some politicians in the US have yet to learn this too
Getting to the other side
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Originally Posted By: ClareLinks between the Palestinian cause, and Irish one are drawn often... over here, anyways... maybe not globally.
At the end of the day, the only thing the conflict in Northern Ireland taught anyone was that violence doesn't get you anywhere, and peaceful negotiations are the only way forward.
Some politicians in the US have yet to learn this too
Clare, well said.
Originally Posted By: ClareLinks between the Palestinian cause, and Irish one are drawn often... over here, anyways... maybe not globally.
At the end of the day, the only thing the conflict in Northern Ireland taught anyone was that violence doesn't get you anywhere, and peaceful negotiations are the only way forward.
Some politicians in the US have yet to learn this too
Clare, well said.
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Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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It doesn't really compare, the palestinians do not have the kind of infrastructure (police, customs, etc) required to stop smuggling of arms into the gaza strip, or the rockets being fired. Even if they were supported (or at least not directly opposed) by Hamas, certain groups would still find the means to fire rockets at Israel.
And not to forget that israel is a british creation, the land was divided only 60 years ago (within living memory), and since then the Israelis have take more land, it's kind of understandable that most of the local arab countries are miffed.
If one of the richest nations on earth struggled to stop violence based on events that happened hundreds of years ago, it's not surprising that israel, palestine, syria and jordan are not exactly seeing eye to eye.
It doesn't really compare, the palestinians do not have the kind of infrastructure (police, customs, etc) required to stop smuggling of arms into the gaza strip, or the rockets being fired. Even if they were supported (or at least not directly opposed) by Hamas, certain groups would still find the means to fire rockets at Israel.
And not to forget that israel is a british creation, the land was divided only 60 years ago (within living memory), and since then the Israelis have take more land, it's kind of understandable that most of the local arab countries are miffed.
If one of the richest nations on earth struggled to stop violence based on events that happened hundreds of years ago, it's not surprising that israel, palestine, syria and jordan are not exactly seeing eye to eye.
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If they built a wall then in a few hundred years it would be viewed as a major accomplishment, and be called "britains great wall of china"... I know it's not china, but you get what I mean. think of it like this, what one country does that we call barbaric, we call progress when we do the same... like identity cards, torture, chargless detainment etc etc etc...
If they built a wall then in a few hundred years it would be viewed as a major accomplishment, and be called "britains great wall of china"... I know it's not china, but you get what I mean. think of it like this, what one country does that we call barbaric, we call progress when we do the same... like identity cards, torture, chargless detainment etc etc etc...
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